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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2013-07-29 11:24:51 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
One of the things that makes EVE interesting to me is when certain individuals from other games hop onto these forums, to talk about how superior they are or the game that they play is so much superior than EVE.


And I find it interesting that the players that are sooooooo interested in others who can hop between numerous games -- and understand all of them even -- and are so jealous. Lol

After you seen enough games you know the routines, as game design isn't that novel. The only real difference is the culture that develops in these games, which in itself isn't special (and at worst, it resembles a junior high playground of nerds seeking revenge). I don't care too much about that culture as I tend to play with friends and/or family, and too old to care about the peer pressure younger kids feel they need to preen for to "fit in"...right, Alpheias?.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2013-07-29 11:55:57 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
One of the things that makes EVE interesting to me is when certain individuals from other games hop onto these forums, to talk about how superior they are or the game that they play is so much superior than EVE.


And I find it interesting that the players that are sooooooo interested in others who can hop between numerous games -- and understand all of them even -- and are so jealous. Lol

After you seen enough games you know the routines, as game design isn't that novel. The only real difference is the culture that develops in these games, which in itself isn't special (and at worst, it resembles a junior high playground of nerds seeking revenge). I don't care too much about that culture as I tend to play with friends and/or family, and too old to care about the peer pressure younger kids feel they need to preen for to "fit in"...right, Alpheias?.


I do hop between games. I just don't brag about it. That is the difference between you and me.

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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-07-29 11:58:21 UTC
4/10

Well played
Lee Hekard
Doomheim
#104 - 2013-07-29 12:03:14 UTC
EVE is a part-time game. As a new player, you won't 'feel' the game for some time but once you do you will likely never quit.
Aren Arsten
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#105 - 2013-07-29 13:23:47 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Small gang pvp. Maybe that is what I'm missing here, a group to talk to while I go through the endless jump after jump of drowsy boredom this has been so far. What are some solid small gang pvp corps?

Agony Empire is pretty good with new people. As is Flying Dangerous who used to be good but went :SOV:, Verge of Collapse, Rooks and Kings, Rote Kapelle are excellent but a little more Elite in the ships they fly (Rote slightly less so then the other two). I have heard Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. are good but have never PvPed against them. Take a look around. Link and Link are recruitment areas for in-game corps/alliances.



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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-07-29 14:17:57 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its not a twitch game. Which is both good and bad. Theres real risk, you lose in WoW you really lose nothing. Lose in EvE you feel it. Some like that. Some dont.


Which isn't what this WoW player even considers "risk", since those who do pewpewpew aren't really hurting by dying anyway (notice Goons and TEST fighting for months now with endless ships???)


Notice also that TEST is pulling out of Fountain because they lost too many ships.

When alliances fight, risks and costs are mostly borne by the alliance. If the individual pilots have to front the money from their own ships, something has gone horribly wrong.
Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#107 - 2013-07-29 14:39:00 UTC
Because I've never experienced EVE, and I won't be satisfied until I do. The issue is that there are countless of other games out there that needs my attention (if I only played EVE my friends would beat me with a baseball bat) and I've also had certain RL-issues. Won't try to get into EVE again until I'm certain I can give it all I got. Straight
Saji'us
Magnetar Dynamics
#108 - 2013-07-29 16:26:53 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
4/10

Well played


Meh I'd say 5/10 for length.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2013-07-29 17:30:49 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
What is there to do in this game that is interesting and keeps you playing?


Watching the tears and frothing paranoia.

Oh, and ship spinning.

Bring your possibles.
Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#110 - 2013-07-29 17:42:58 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
One of the things that makes EVE interesting to me is when certain individuals from other games hop onto these forums, to talk about how superior they are or the game that they play is so much superior than EVE.


And I find it interesting that the players that are sooooooo interested in others who can hop between numerous games -- and understand all of them even -- and are so jealous. Lol

After you seen enough games you know the routines, as game design isn't that novel. The only real difference is the culture that develops in these games, which in itself isn't special (and at worst, it resembles a junior high playground of nerds seeking revenge). I don't care too much about that culture as I tend to play with friends and/or family, and too old to care about the peer pressure younger kids feel they need to preen for to "fit in"...right, Alpheias?.


I do hop between games. I just don't brag about it. That is the difference between you and me.


also, people can stand you. Not something I can say for our friend ace over there.
Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#111 - 2013-07-29 17:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximillian German
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
One of the things that makes EVE interesting to me is when certain individuals from other games hop onto these forums, to talk about how superior they are or the game that they play is so much superior than EVE.


And I find it interesting that the players that are sooooooo interested in others who can hop between numerous games -- and understand all of them even -- and are so jealous. Lol

After you seen enough games you know the routines, as game design isn't that novel. The only real difference is the culture that develops in these games, which in itself isn't special (and at worst, it resembles a junior high playground of nerds seeking revenge). I don't care too much about that culture as I tend to play with friends and/or family, and too old to care about the peer pressure younger kids feel they need to preen for to "fit in"...right, Alpheias?.


Tell me, Ace, has Blizzard given you a free subscription yet? It seems like the least they could do since you're giving them so much free publicity.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-07-29 18:03:10 UTC
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..
SyntheticSins
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2013-07-29 18:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: SyntheticSins
The thing about this game that really sucked me in - PvP.

There's a clear definition of what you're fighting fore. Sometimes it's to save your fleetmates, sometimes it's just your ship, sometimes you're clawing tooth and nail to force out invading forces that are trying to set up camp in your home.

One thing though, you wont have much fun in NPC corps, get out - join a corp that's established somewhere. Pirate corps are always looking for frigate pilots to train up. Hell, even NI4NI is recruiting at the moment.

The brutality of this game is the best, I can't stand a game that will let you 'die' then give you all your **** back, pat you on your ass, and try everything not to discourage you. In Eve you often have to find your own path.

- On a side note, try looking up PvP video's on youtube. Some of them will elaborate the scale of PvP in this game dramatically.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#114 - 2013-07-29 22:55:24 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor

WOW didn't have pvp? You sound as though you couldn't cut it in arena, my favorite form of pvp in an MMO. You can compare your comment very heavily to what some players have said to me on this forum. Where you complain about not having the gear in WOW to compete in arena, I complain about not having the SP to compete in the small fights on eve. In wow when I was playing extensively, I would roll many new characters and with rocking just blues in some cases, destroy these heavily geared players because I had the knowledge to. Full set of the lowest tier purples and it was game over for them until I got near players who were getting close to being equally skilled. HOWEVER When I first started wow, such as I have with eve, it was quite different. I needed the gear to compete on an equal level because I didn't have the knowledge. This game is no different. A player with little knowledge vs a player with little knowledge = the player with twice the dps and tank wins. In comes wait in hangar for a little while, while my sp grows to a reasonable level comment.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#115 - 2013-07-29 23:02:42 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
One of the things that makes EVE interesting to me is when certain individuals from other games hop onto these forums, to talk about how superior they are or the game that they play is so much superior than EVE.


And I find it interesting that the players that are sooooooo interested in others who can hop between numerous games -- and understand all of them even -- and are so jealous. Lol

After you seen enough games you know the routines, as game design isn't that novel. The only real difference is the culture that develops in these games, which in itself isn't special (and at worst, it resembles a junior high playground of nerds seeking revenge). I don't care too much about that culture as I tend to play with friends and/or family, and too old to care about the peer pressure younger kids feel they need to preen for to "fit in"...right, Alpheias?.



Exactly.

Eve in itself is unique, but it's concepts are quite similar and in some cases pure replicas to other games. Building a ship isn't rocket science, no pun intended. Making isk with ease isn't rocket science. Going to google, learning much of what the game has to offer and sampling much of it in a month isn't difficult. Every community has people that will call you ignorant because you're not willing to accept their advice as they barely even skim read what you are suggesting, therefore shooting it down without a thought.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#116 - 2013-07-29 23:08:15 UTC
On a side note to my many posts, some serious, some obnoxious, and some trolling, I'm happy to have gotten over 100 posts on my first thread. Thanks GD, I rate myself 10/10, couldn't give myself any less without offending my superiority complex.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-07-29 23:24:28 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
What is there to do in this game that is interesting and keeps you playing?

Shanky Shanks wrote:
Where is the challenge and where is the fun in this game? What do YOU do that keeps you hooked?

The fact that you can log in and ruin someone else's day and profit from it by being smarter than them.
Whether that's by pvp, playing the market, corp infiltrations etc doesn't really make a difference.

EvE is for those who revel in schadenfreude.
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2013-07-30 00:21:13 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
What is there to do in this game that is interesting and keeps you playing?


i spend my time in mission chat. it's entertaining. people get all hot and bothered over little things, lol. sometimes i whore on killmails.

but when i wanna have fun, i play other games, or i go to the bars, etc :D pvp in eve is pretty meh. you should play a different game if you enjoy pvp. eve requires too much effort. it's less about the amount of sp you have, and more about how much meta information you can cram into your brain :\

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#119 - 2013-07-30 00:22:54 UTC
I'm in the CFC. Look at all the threads clogging up General Discussion.

Take a guess. (I'm sure it'll be a bad one).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#120 - 2013-07-30 00:23:51 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor


Shanky Shanks wrote:
Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter, None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.


*ahem* Oops

Anywho... I think Tron's claim is that PvP in WoW is essentially inconsequential rather than claiming that it doesn't exist. You can't lose anything significant by doing it, whereas in EVE, you can lose everything you bring to the table if you lose. In addition, you can opt out of participating in PvP when playing WoW, something that is impossible in EvE.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon