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So...what happens to EVE if/when TEST lose and the CFC claim all Fountain goldmines for themselves?

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-07-29 13:01:57 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
dexington wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?


Change in leadership, no king rules forever, without good leadership the CFC and/or Goonswarm might be fall like other great alliances before them.

But what if you replace the monarch with a corporation in your analogy? Meaning, if CFC/Goonswarm is run like a corporation, it should potentially have a longer lifespan than a monarchy (i.e. a monarch is a single point of failure, whereas a corporation doesn't have all of its eggs in one basket in terms of leadership.)

OTOH, given the short lifespan of the game versus a human lifespan, a single "monarch" could conceivably hold CFC/Goonswarm together for the lifespan of Eve.


Unlikely, but not impossible, unless that person finds someway to make money of playing eve. Even is you find someone to run GSF/CFC professionally, there are still external factors that can't be controlled, eg. that person could get ill or have an accident that permanently removes him from the game.

GSF/CFC is not unbeatable, they are strong because they are united and well organized, but that is not something that happens be accident, and it needs to be maintained.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-07-29 13:02:21 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.


Their **** that awesome to be riding this much and this long for? You really don't think Goons haven't awoxed someone or did something dirty that you don't know about? Give me a break.. and I thought I was naive to certain bullshit.


That kind of the point thou.

I asked the question yet you couldn't provide any answer other then to call me naive.

Whether or not it has happened isn't really the point. The fact that if it has happened, it has never been made public knowledge which shows how well run the CFC is.

You can call me what ever names you wish to, but you still haven't given any examples to back up your blustering


I haven't been around long but even if someone came up with any tiny proof that they stole from goons or whatever would still probably fall on to deaf ears or you'd act blind I guess in this case since its text. Plus I don't read anything on goons cause I don't give a **** about them.
Prince Kobol
#83 - 2013-07-29 13:08:58 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.


Their **** that awesome to be riding this much and this long for? You really don't think Goons haven't awoxed someone or did something dirty that you don't know about? Give me a break.. and I thought I was naive to certain bullshit.


That kind of the point thou.

I asked the question yet you couldn't provide any answer other then to call me naive.

Whether or not it has happened isn't really the point. The fact that if it has happened, it has never been made public knowledge which shows how well run the CFC is.

You can call me what ever names you wish to, but you still haven't given any examples to back up your blustering


I haven't been around long but even if someone came up with any tiny proof that they stole from goons or whatever would still probably fall on to deaf ears or you'd act blind I guess in this case since its text. Plus I don't read anything on goons cause I don't give a **** about them.


Thanks for proving my point and don't stop Raging Blink
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-07-29 13:19:35 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.


Their **** that awesome to be riding this much and this long for? You really don't think Goons haven't awoxed someone or did something dirty that you don't know about? Give me a break.. and I thought I was naive to certain bullshit.


That kind of the point thou.

I asked the question yet you couldn't provide any answer other then to call me naive.

Whether or not it has happened isn't really the point. The fact that if it has happened, it has never been made public knowledge which shows how well run the CFC is.

You can call me what ever names you wish to, but you still haven't given any examples to back up your blustering


I haven't been around long but even if someone came up with any tiny proof that they stole from goons or whatever would still probably fall on to deaf ears or you'd act blind I guess in this case since its text. Plus I don't read anything on goons cause I don't give a **** about them.


Thanks for proving my point and don't stop Raging Blink


I'm not raging nor am I mad bro.. Internet kiddies these days think they are so clever with their little quips of stupidity. Hows this alt working out for you?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-07-29 13:23:29 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Nothing has changed as far as Moon Goo as goes.. the mechanic is still the same.

I am not having a go at the CFC, of course they are going exploit the mechanics to their favour, they would of been stupid not to, but the fact remains that the actual mechanic has not change.

If CCP had spent the last 2 years developing something new like Ring Mining then it would of benefited all of Eve, as it is just switching Tech to another type of Goo isn't going to help.

Unless of course you are saying that the CFC is not going to earn the same amount of isk in not more from all the R64 moons they are going to take in the next month or so as they have been earning from the tech they have had.


I think they will earn less from them then they were getting from when tech was at it's peak.

It takes 10 good R64s to gross as much as a tech moon used to, more like 17 or 18 when the running cost of the towers is factored in.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-07-29 13:30:40 UTC
So Alliance Tournament XII will be Goons versus Goons if they control all of null sec space...?
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#87 - 2013-07-29 13:30:55 UTC
There needs to be a system in place were huge empires are harder to control, with a method of cutting of supply lines then cfc is just going to grow out of control.

At the moment there's no need to protect supply lines cause there simply isn't any lines to cut. 0.0 needs a radical overhaul and its not all about goo and moo either, its about how large scale operations and combat works. having a frigate being able to call in a huge cap fleet via cyno is just plain silly.

While i dislike CFC due to past experience, they are organized and will consume everything in there path like a plague of locusts simply cause they have so many players :(

Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#88 - 2013-07-29 13:36:28 UTC
Nothing. TEST have Delve. What would happen if TEST fail cascaded? Nothing much. I suppose Pizza would not have as many kill mails on their kill-board. That alliance whole existence was destroying TEST ships for years now. Honestly once TEST or if TEST is destroyed there will be no other entity or entities gathered together match the CFC. Hmm, well at-least when focused on one front.

If NCDOT, NULLI SECUNDA, PANDEMIC LEGION all choose a CFC region and decide to engage and take whatever region. The CFC could not split their forces to deal with all 3. The CFC is only effective against these entities because they can bring all of their members to bare in one engagements against one entity. Each of the afore-mention alliances are able engage 2 - 3 CFC alliances themselves. I suppose you could throw Black Legion in there too. As of yet the CFC has never shown the ability to engage in multiple front battles well. No alliance has.

In any case. Losing TEST as an enemy capable of fielding almost as much as the CFC would be a serious blow to anti-Goonswarm blocks or H8T3RS. TEST ability to field 500 - 700 pilots is a GREAT asset to any ally or coalition who'd be willing to lead them into battle. To be honest I think the should rejoin what was the HBC. JOIN the DINNERSQUAD or whatever they're called.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#89 - 2013-07-29 13:38:21 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
There needs to be a system in place were huge empires are harder to control, with a method of cutting of supply lines then cfcThe NCDrone RussianSoCoBoB/GBC the next big thing is just going to grow out of control.




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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#90 - 2013-07-29 13:39:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Nothing has changed as far as Moon Goo as goes.. the mechanic is still the same.

I am not having a go at the CFC, of course they are going exploit the mechanics to their favour, they would of been stupid not to, but the fact remains that the actual mechanic has not change.

If CCP had spent the last 2 years developing something new like Ring Mining then it would of benefited all of Eve, as it is just switching Tech to another type of Goo isn't going to help.

Unless of course you are saying that the CFC is not going to earn the same amount of isk in not more from all the R64 moons they are going to take in the next month or so as they have been earning from the tech they have had.


I think they will earn less from them then they were getting from when tech was at it's peak.

It takes 10 good R64s to gross as much as a tech moon used to, more like 17 or 18 when the running cost of the towers is factored in.


Get your facts out of my Emotional discussion please and/or thanks.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#91 - 2013-07-29 13:47:12 UTC
Let me check... Test: RED... they shoot on sight
CFC: RED... they shoot on sight...

Some price shifts, life goes on. Hallelujah.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-07-29 13:51:22 UTC
Empires rise, empires fall. If Fountain alone was enough of an advantage to win EVE, then Band of Brothers would still be down there. give it another two or three years, we'll have a "What happens to EVE if/when CFC lose and [insert coalition here] claim all Fountain goldmines for themselves?"

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2013-07-29 13:54:20 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Empires rise, empires fall. If Fountain alone was enough of an advantage to win EVE, then Band of Brothers would still be down there. give it another two or three years, we'll have a "What happens to EVE if/when CFC lose and [insert coalition here] claim all Fountain goldmines for themselves?"

Yep, Pandemic Legion will kill us by headshooting (VFK, 6VDT, take your pick)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-07-29 13:54:42 UTC
Bring back the CFS.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#95 - 2013-07-29 13:55:26 UTC
CCP would decide it would be in the game best interest to "rebalance" the moons again and another region in null gets the most valuable moons.
And thats how CCP will keep battles going on in null sec untill they figure out how to sort out null sec.
Prince Kobol
#96 - 2013-07-29 16:31:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Nothing has changed as far as Moon Goo as goes.. the mechanic is still the same.

I am not having a go at the CFC, of course they are going exploit the mechanics to their favour, they would of been stupid not to, but the fact remains that the actual mechanic has not change.

If CCP had spent the last 2 years developing something new like Ring Mining then it would of benefited all of Eve, as it is just switching Tech to another type of Goo isn't going to help.

Unless of course you are saying that the CFC is not going to earn the same amount of isk in not more from all the R64 moons they are going to take in the next month or so as they have been earning from the tech they have had.


I think they will earn less from them then they were getting from when tech was at it's peak.

It takes 10 good R64s to gross as much as a tech moon used to, more like 17 or 18 when the running cost of the towers is factored in.


Get your facts out of my Emotional discussion please and/or thanks.


Or be like you and don't speak any facts of any kind or have a rational discussion and just make random comments
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2013-07-29 16:36:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Too long too boring. Instead of a predictable slog to victory that breeds complacency in their "uncommitted"[1] neighbors, CFC suddenly makes peace with TEST whereupon CFC/TEST suddenly turn on someone else and crush them.


[1] When it comes to bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved and the pig is committed. The chickens are the ones at risk.





I've heard the "TEST are goon pets" mantra enough times to wonder if this is all a show to see if other alliances will help TEST, and in do doing that, expend resources. Then, in a weakened state, TEST and goons make up and do a clean sweep.


Just a theory in the "I would not be surprised" file.


How does spending trillions of isk on dead ships aid this supposed TEST/CFC masterplan?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#98 - 2013-07-29 16:37:59 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


Or be like you and don't speak any facts of any kind or have a rational discussion and just make random comments


I don't have to do anything more than make random comments when you insist on losing the argument to Malcanis lol. You demonstrated that you don't know the ins and outs of the moon goo issues and got set straight. Don't be mad at me, you're the one unprepared for a discussion you chose to engage in lol.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#99 - 2013-07-29 16:38:58 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Too long too boring. Instead of a predictable slog to victory that breeds complacency in their "uncommitted"[1] neighbors, CFC suddenly makes peace with TEST whereupon CFC/TEST suddenly turn on someone else and crush them.


[1] When it comes to bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved and the pig is committed. The chickens are the ones at risk.





I've heard the "TEST are goon pets" mantra enough times to wonder if this is all a show to see if other alliances will help TEST, and in do doing that, expend resources. Then, in a weakened state, TEST and goons make up and do a clean sweep.


Just a theory in the "I would not be surprised" file.


How does spending trillions of isk on dead ships aid this supposed TEST/CFC masterplan?


Easy, those ships are made of tinfoil and after the blow up , HATS FOR EVERYONE, starting with Herzog.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#100 - 2013-07-29 16:44:22 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
At the moment there's no need to protect supply lines cause there simply isn't any lines to cut


The J5A gate and the many brave souls that lost their lives there would like to have a word with you. Also, go live in Omist and then post about supply lines. Or Stain or Cache or Period Basis or Cobalt Edge