Ships & Modules

T2 beam skills are mainly for Aurora and sniping range, not close in stuff like this.

^ What the man with the beard said. - It is a pretty obvious factor.

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assuming from that, I will give you the benefit of the doubt (that you are not trolling), which is a straight answer:

no, do not train beams. train T2 Pulses. plug Scorch into EFT instead.

and it has to be Scorch ammo. (and meta and faction pulses cannot shoot Scorch ammo)

also, you do not understand the tracking formula. it is not a 1-2% chance difference. at 17km, the difference between .04117 and .05147 rads/s is more like a 25% improvement in max transversal. however that's at 17km and that's crap range and .05 is crap tracking

incursion nightmare--use tengu siege boosts

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

100MN Microwarpdrive II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Energy Metastasis Adjuster II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

with 2x target painters, a phantasm cruiser with 10mn microwarp is doing 1521 m/s with a 1256 m sig.

not counting drones, this is 767 dps to 65km + 15, tracking 0.07349 rads/s w/ 5% tracking implant
same nightmare with T2 beams w/gleam gets 922 dps to 24km + 38, tracking .05052 rads/s (crap range crap tracking)
same nightmare with T2 beams w/aurora gets 527 dps to the next incursion site with tracking .0101 rads/s (wut)


false. it is impossible to know the purpose of beams, because CCP hasn't decided on one.

Stop trolling.

Anyone who tries to run incursions in that Nightmare will lose it.

Hint: it only has 50% explosive shield resist and 40% kinetic shield resist.

Go try Domi in incurion and only tank EM/therm. Do you know anything about resists and logis?

Hint: missiles do kinetic and explosive damage in incursions.

I agree that Large beams getting a 10% tracking reduction would make them pretty bad. What I missed is the part where CCP said that this is actually going to happen. They said +25% damage and - 10% tracking is what they are doing for MEDIUM beams which is not the same thing as beams across the board and there is no reason to assume that Large grade weapons will get the exact same treatment, note for example that this was not the case with small grade weapons nor is there any plans to change that now as far as I am aware. The signature radius on medium beams makes the actual damage application better than a lot of people expect and so the tracking penalty, while not helpful, is probably not AS bad as people think at a glance. With the signature radius of Large beams reducing their tracking even further would be devastating to the use of them as a weapon and I'm positive CCP understands this.

As far as I can tell your assumption that medium and large beams will get the same treatment is completely unjustified and if you do have information that I lack, please share it.

the medium beam -> large beam is just speculation, but really, when medium beams are being reduced in tracking when they deserve +10% (or something), I'm inclined to expect large beams will receive the same poor treatment.

regarding the nightmare labelled as an incursion runner; i may be mistaken.

my hypothetical nightmare with tengu boosts:
67.7% EM, 74.2 TH, 66 KIN, 71.6 EXP...
defense is 1642 hp/s receiving 4x L S95a shield transports from a scimi with the same tengu boosts.

I realize that is hairy, and in the moment that i was double clicking the mods into EFT, I decided on a passive resist setup. with 2x invuln IIs, the resists are
65.2% EM, 72.2% TH, 79.1% KIN, 82.6% EXP... and defense is 1963 hp/s w/ 4x L S95a shield transfers.

realistically, I would use cheap pithum c-type EM and TH amps, for a resist profile of 70.6% EM, 76.5% TH, 66% KIN, 71.6% EXP... and Defense of 1716 hp/s

...which is what I use on my mission oracles--pithum c-type amps--that I've been meaning to attempt a vanguard site with, along with 2 scimis and a half-assed Vulture T1 Siege booster.

it takes some trust in your logi. with the LCDFEII, the nightmare has 16,793 shield hp which is a 25s buffer before hitting armor--but one should expect more than just 4 transfers incoming when they are providing 2 energy transfers to the cap chain.

in retrospect, you could drop a tracking computer to depend on a scimi tracking link. (still, I would replace it with a LSEII, for 21,321 shield hp, and a 30s buffer assuming 3k dps omni incoming)

I recently made the transition from Nightmares to Oracles--shield fit, and I would love to say it's valid for level 4 missions and vanguards, but I haven't tried vanguards with the setup yet, and that's not the question OP asked... so suggesting Oracles would be jumping the gun. (but OP, my next thought is: Oracles... but, hairy. they are just 80m-ish, however. might require oracle/scimi ratio of 1:1)

Gleam is terrible, large beams are fine.

oh. hey. the only reason I mentioned the ravy naven link is, the tracking formula is misinterpreted by a lot of people, and it's easily a troll topic.

also beams. are just that bad.