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The Female Character "Attributes"

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#101 - 2013-07-28 18:35:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oh, how you do try. Your bluster is irrelevant to me. It only serves to amuse me further at how very mad you must be. Which of my offhanded comments was it that offends you so? Hmm?


Does this work on anyone? It seems pretty graceless as far as emergency exits go.

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Oh, and at some point, you may wish to get back on topic, since we are after all talking about female character models and what is/isn't percieved as attractive.


What men find attractive and why seems relevant enough to me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#102 - 2013-07-28 18:54:52 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oh, how you do try. Your bluster is irrelevant to me. It only serves to amuse me further at how very mad you must be. Which of my offhanded comments was it that offends you so? Hmm?


Does this work on anyone? It seems pretty graceless as far as emergency exits go.

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Oh, and at some point, you may wish to get back on topic, since we are after all talking about female character models and what is/isn't percieved as attractive.


What men find attractive and why seems relevant enough to me.


Save that Malyasian standards of beauty aren't on the menu here. This is a game largely played by Western countries. That standard of beauty is the topic of discussion, not whatever third world anthropological study you can conjure.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#103 - 2013-07-28 19:07:06 UTC
Why can't I have mustaches for my lady alts?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#104 - 2013-07-28 19:12:55 UTC
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Why can't I have mustaches for my lady alts?


Actually, I think there is one person out there who has a female character with a beard?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#105 - 2013-07-28 19:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Save that Malyasian standards of beauty aren't on the menu here. This is a game largely played by Western countries. That standard of beauty is the topic of discussion, not whatever third world anthropological study you can conjure.


Which might be a valid criticism if the other three studies weren't from France, England, and New Zealand.

It's also worth noting that the study in question tried to differentiate between their hypothesis and potential cultural differences in a second study with university students. (I'm guessing you didn't read the full thing though)

On a side note: While I've never been to the city in the study, it doesn't strike me as very third world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kota_Kinabalu
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-07-28 19:30:23 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.


Your lack of understanding is disturbing.

It's the same reason women like broad shoulders, large biceps, big pecks, small waist, a big peck** and muscular legs on a man. Instinctively it equates to virility. And while some women do prefer men with lesser attributes, that is most likely due to their own physical makeup and/or psychology that is influenced by their own experiences. But always, the stereotypical image is what is superficially most attractive.

I can say from first hand experience, if a woman knows you have over average endowment, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the most hideous creation and 10 adonis), it's instantly worth +2 points with a +0.5pt increase for every measure you are above average. It's the same for a woman's rack. A woman's endowment is just so much more obvious. As a hetero man, I don't care if you prefer A cups. If a DD walks by in a low cut shirt, you're looking....it's called biology.

Guys just don't lie about it as much as women do. Because as we all *laugh* know, for women it's about the emotional *laugh* connection.


Don't ban me, bro!

Lipbite
Express Hauler
#107 - 2013-07-28 19:30:46 UTC
Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#108 - 2013-07-28 19:40:46 UTC
oh, one of these gender attributes and preferences thereof discussions again. a forum reader can generally look forward to one or two of these a month. always fascinating reading.

i'm a female player. and i am not in the least surprised that there are so many grossly oversexualized avatars flying around. for all the same reasons that most pc games have nude and skimpy mods being created within days of the games release. i think it's primarily demographics of the player base and natural inclinations involved. no real revelations here. anyone that finds any compelling eye openers might also find it absolutely shocking that fire is indeed hot. water; wet.

as someone so adequately put it up above...this is fantasy
Mark Androcius
#109 - 2013-07-28 19:47:58 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.



You wanna tell me your character looks like you do in real life?
I'm NOT saying you are most likely ugly, in fact, i would never ever say such a thing, but i do speculate that you are not at ease with your own appearance, like most women.

Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that most female chars look like they do, because you have a negative self-image?
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#110 - 2013-07-28 20:05:16 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.



You wanna tell me your character looks like you do in real life?
I'm NOT saying you are most likely ugly, in fact, i would never ever say such a thing, but i do speculate that you are not at ease with your own appearance, like most women.

Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that most female chars look like they do, because you have a negative self-image?


I am a man in real life. I said it already. The character is a compromise of what I want and what is possible with the character editor (there are some limitations in sculpting which prevent you from creating exactly what you imagine).
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#111 - 2013-07-28 20:05:25 UTC
the OP has stated several times that he is male, mark. just fyi Smile
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#112 - 2013-07-28 20:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Shinomiya
Lipbite wrote:
Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.


It depends on the culture. The more centuries you go back in history the more you will see that round and curvy women were what they call healthy and prolific. If you would put some Hollywood figure or model into some medieval age village they would try to feed her because they would thing she is nearly dying a starvation death. Look at ancient Greek statues. You will not see a big rack.
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#113 - 2013-07-28 21:44:17 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.


It depends on the culture. The more centuries you go back in history the more you will see that round and curvy women were what they call healthy and prolific. If you would put some Hollywood figure or model into some medieval age village they would try to feed her because they would thing she is nearly dying a starvation death. Look at ancient Greek statues. You will not see a big rack.

Yet look at ancient fertility sculptures and you most certainly will. Granted, they were certainly not skinny.

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-07-28 22:54:17 UTC
Cynter DeVries wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.


It depends on the culture. The more centuries you go back in history the more you will see that round and curvy women were what they call healthy and prolific. If you would put some Hollywood figure or model into some medieval age village they would try to feed her because they would thing she is nearly dying a starvation death. Look at ancient Greek statues. You will not see a big rack.

Yet look at ancient fertility sculptures and you most certainly will. Granted, they were certainly not skinny.


But that was a historic view of fertility in an era when feeding a population during any given year could be impossible, famine being a regular occurrence. It would make sense that a population who valued their women less than their men would see a woman that was overweight as being affluent and healthy and thereby fertile since it would mean she comes from a background that could/would afford to feed her that much.

Not all historical views of women from ancient times portrayed women as such. In fact, there are plenty of examples of female sexuality that include exactly what we consider attractive now. I think what is portrayed now is quite attractive. And I do like skinny women with a big rack. And something in my pants tells me this has little to do with Hollywood.

Don't ban me, bro!

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#115 - 2013-07-28 22:59:45 UTC
I'm a RL gay man, and I'm po'd that I can't exaggerate 'the thing' on my avatar that I want to exaggerate. CCP is biased towards girls. Evil


Actually: Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#116 - 2013-07-28 23:05:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'm a RL gay man, and I'm po'd that I can't exaggerate 'the thing' on my avatar that I want to exaggerate. CCP is biased towards girls. Evil


Actually: Roll


i'd totally support "thing" exaggeration.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2013-07-28 23:07:35 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Aleander Brunsh wrote:
the problem starts even before a player shows up: all female shoes have high heels. Even combat boots are raised. I mean, seriously, that just makes no sense whatsoever.


Glad to see that I'm not the only one exasperated by this ! :D

Also, huge racks and naked bodies are as ugly as faces are detailed in this game, imo. So a woman described by OP isn't even attractive. Still imo. :p

the shoes pissed me off day one, i mean seriously, i thought "what kind of world doesnt ahve shoes without heels".

of course then i got into retail at a couple shoe stores and found out even girls in real life have problems finding boots and shoes without heels/wedges unless they shop in the mens section. which is even more ridiculous than heels in the game.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#118 - 2013-07-29 01:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.


It depends on the culture. The more centuries you go back in history the more you will see that round and curvy women were what they call healthy and prolific. If you would put some Hollywood figure or model into some medieval age village they would try to feed her because they would thing she is nearly dying a starvation death. Look at ancient Greek statues. You will not see a big rack.


Biology does not change [in 2 thousand years], just "official" cultural stereotypes change over time. Like haute-couture magazines promote anorexic figures because they are used in the industry for easier clothing design - not because people actually like them (it's easy to create clothing for muscle/fat-less unified mop's handle instead of actual curvy female figure). Yet you won't see such figures in [non-specialized] porno because most men don't like them.
Baler Noban
#119 - 2013-07-29 01:55:04 UTC
This has probably already been said,.. but how many guys actually have a chiseled face and are muscular and lean?

You don't see too many Fat, acne ridden, neck-beard characters...What?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#120 - 2013-07-29 02:02:54 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.


Not everyone is a 16 year old boy. Honestly Akirei isn't very feminine.