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Retriever vs Covetor - Less ORE space?
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Dominic Virmire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-28 16:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dominic Virmire
I just found this out and I'm bit confused.

The Retriever can have a max of 22,400 ORE storage. The Covetor only 7.000.0 (installed 2x Cargo expand II)which is less? But the vessel is more expensive also.

I bought it and sold my retriever and seeing this im bit mad/confused to why it's hold is less.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-28 16:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
you can get a higher yield so it is more useful in ops - probably shouldn't fit it with cargo expanders either

I disagree
Dominic Virmire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-07-28 16:04:54 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
you can get a higher yield so it is more useful in ops - probably shouldn't fit it with cargo expanders either

With yields what do you mean? :) It's kind of new at this point.
Caltharian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-28 16:05:56 UTC
its part of tiericide
1 barge is tanky (procurer, skiff)
1 barge has a huge hold (retriver, mackinaw)
1 barge has a large yield (covetor, hulk)
Dominic Virmire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-07-28 16:12:16 UTC
My strip miners I also extract less. 930 per 180 sec instead of the 1160 per 180 sec with the Retriever Sad
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-07-28 16:15:30 UTC
You can't fit any ORE ships inside any of the barges — they're all too big.

Also, fitting cargo expanders is a bad idea that only ever makes your ship worse. Don't do it.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-28 16:16:54 UTC
with higher yield you can get more asteroids per cycle, looking at your last post there is probably something wrong with your fit, best asking it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=257

or in help channel ingame

I disagree
Dominic Virmire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-07-28 16:18:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You can't fit any ORE ships inside any of the barges — they're all too big.

Also, fitting cargo expanders is a bad idea that only ever makes your ship worse. Don't do it.

Ill remove them when I return to Jita :). I was also wondering. Should I keep this ship now or sell if for a retriever again because of the ORE space?.

It has 2x Strip Miner I but I can also get a third. BUT it will mean that I have to travel more back to Jita.
Dominic Virmire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-07-28 16:19:51 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
with higher yield you can get more asteroids per cycle, looking at your last post there is probably something wrong with your fit, best asking it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=257

or in help channel ingame

Might be because I fitted it with 2x Strip Miners 1 instead of 3?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-07-28 16:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dominic Virmire wrote:
Ill remove them when I return to Jita :). I was also wondering. Should I keep this ship now or sell if for a retriever again because of the ORE space?
What you should do is stop confusing the word “ore” and the acronym “ORE” — they're not the same thing. None of the barges have any ORE space — only the Orca and the Rorqual do (at least among mining-related ships).

Beyond that, you should pick the ship that gives you what you want. Do you want high cargo space and lots of AFKability? Then go for one that does that. Do you want higher yield but more work? Then go for one that does that. Or do you want lots of tank? Then go for one that does that.

Only you can decide what you should do because it's your preferences that have to be satisfied.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-28 16:26:08 UTC
Dominic Virmire wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
with higher yield you can get more asteroids per cycle, looking at your last post there is probably something wrong with your fit, best asking it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=257

or in help channel ingame

Might be because I fitted it with 2x Strip Miners 1 instead of 3?

correct, basically with a coveter you can be more useful in mining ops because there is no need to go back and forth to dump your asteroids, with a retriever it is better to be alone as you can just leave it mine for awhile and come back, it is a little slower when it comes to mining but you will spend less time going back and forth to drop stuff off.

and then you have the procurer barge which is based on defense more than yield or ore space

I disagree
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-28 16:39:32 UTC
Whats advantage of hulk over covetor?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2013-07-28 16:47:37 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Whats advantage of hulk over covetor?

More of everything.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#14 - 2013-07-28 16:51:14 UTC
OP, send me and in-game mail where you are mining, and I will help you out. You obviously have some things to learn about how to fit mining vessels, and I have just the lesson plan for you.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-28 17:27:10 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
OP, send me and in-game mail where you are mining, and I will help you out. You obviously have some things to learn about how to fit mining vessels, and I have just the lesson plan for you.



Please do tell us if he responds....

OP, you really need to find an Industrial corp to join. If you want to do this solo you need to let the internet fill in your very large knowledge gaps.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#16 - 2013-07-28 18:40:38 UTC
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:

Please do tell us if he responds....



I'll be sure to post the KM.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#17 - 2013-07-28 21:35:16 UTC
Basically, the Retriever has the largest hold of the three. It is designed really for mining on your own because you waste less time moving ore back to the station when your hold is full. The coveter mines much faster, and so gives you more ISK per hour, but because it's hold is much much smaller it also has to go back and forward from station much more. If you use a coveter with a group of friends, you will usually have dedicated haulers (people to move the ore back to the station) and so the increased yield (read mining rate) is even better.

To summarize, the retriever is better if your going to mine on your own. The coveter is much better for mining with friends.

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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-29 06:16:06 UTC
It was probably answered, but I'll say something anyways, 'cause I'm bored. Retriever holds more ore. Coveter mines more ore per minute cause it has three mining lasers, and they have a boost to the amount of ore mined per cycle. The advantage of Retriever is that it holds more and you take less trips to the station. Coveter mines faster, but holds less. You have to make more trips to the station, but the advantage is that it is better armored and protected. I think you have a better chance to get away in a Coveter than in a Retriever. If the gankists come for you.

Also, if you're in a fleet of miners, I think they like Coverters better. I think they have a big freighter come pick up your cans as you fill up.

Personally, I've been fitting out a Venture to go mine in low sec space, and have been wondering if the same could be done with a Coveter.... Venture has some great get-away-from-the-gankists potential. I'll have to see if a Coveter can be rigged similarly for get-away-ability.... Hmmmm

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Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-29 07:41:40 UTC
Do cargo expanders increase ore hold capacity now then?!?
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-29 08:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
Do cargo expanders increase ore hold capacity now then?!?


No. They only expand the cargo section. Not the Ore hold section. So, it's not that useful on mining ships. Plus you end up losing armor (or structure HP?) and speed. So, it's not worth it.

HOWEVER

Increasing certain skill points will increase ore hold capacity (unless I'm mistaken... Someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

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