EVE New Citizens Q&A

If you thought manually flying your ship was supposed to be the main attraction to EVE you, my friend, came to the wrong game.

If you want a online game that tests your manual dexterity there's a whole host of first person shooters out there and if you want vehicles instead of people then there's also world of tanks.

The main "hype" of eve is that the player interaction always has consequences

Here here to all the above. EVE is largely about information and how you use it to form a good strategy against your opponent. Now, when combat happens, it happens fast and furious -- but if you are not prepared with the appropriate information, you might as well be toast. EVE is not a game for the kind of gamer who only likes CoD-style shootemup-and-win games.

With that said, I am still very puzzled that the OP didn't even stick around long enough to realize that manual piloting is not only possible, it is an extremely important skill to learn in both the PvP and PvE sides of the game. That's some serious level of gaming ADD right there.

Flying your ship manually? In space?

You can do it, but this is much more realistic as a simulation.

May I suggest perhaps Starfox for snes?

Just to clear the air, I do now see the plethora of "hooks" in EVE. I was looking for a good space sim that included manually piloting a ship. For the old school gamers think of the old Falcon series of Flight simulators but in a sci fi setting. When it comes to manually piloting a ship, I am talking a bit more then just point and click. I was hoping to need to use a good old flight sim joystick.

Hey, no big deal, in due time I will get what I was hoping for down the road.

Good luck to all and ty for the input.

Completely agree with your assessment. The full EVE experience is above all a thinking man's game. No slight on you ladies - I know that there's dedicated contingent of female players.

The EVE environment rewards patience, imagination and enterprise - qualities in short supply amongst many of the younger attention span-challenged players. I'm been in only since the beginning of June of this year, and I'm having a blast. The impression i get from the OP is that he doesn't quite get the value of cooperation in this game. Joining a new player friendly corp would be a very good way to get deeper into what makes the EVE universe so much fun.

As for getting ganked while missioning in low sec space, there lesson there is "Watch your six." Get lazy or distracted and you're toast in low sec. The danger is all part of the fun.

Of course you can fly your ship manually. It's an essential element of much PvP and if your ship ever gets jammed against an asteroid or structure you can either sit there forever waiting for it to unstick or you can manually fly it away.

If you don't know how to do it then you didn't pay attention during the basic pilot's licence training course, and if you can't be bothered to learn even the most basic game mechanics uninstalling is probably the most sensible thing to do.

Have you tried ship spinning?

That's where the real fun is.

Hahaha and people still keep replying :)

Oh my, so many naive people in EVE :)

Ikahn seems to be the only one who realized the guy's behaviour is waaaay out of standard newbie pattern.

"What's the hook" seems like a fair question - I'm not sure why some replies have been so surly.

Regarding reasons not to give control of the helm...



... seems like a convincing answer.

Also, I'm assuming "SC" referred to is Star Citizen - might be worth observing that if people want fast paced, WASD-and-mouse flying, there's a game called Start Conflict, too: that entertained me for a few hours, though I personally find that arena combat lacks depth and becomes tedious quickly. YMMV.

But "what's the hook?" is a very valid question.

Personally, I came here a couple of days ago because I loved the "explore" part of the "one universe to explore and conquer". And I'm somewhat bemused, too. As context, I'd heard a lot of Illyriad players saying that EVE was a much prettier, better established sandbox game, with a PvP-free area to avoid Illy's occasional steamrollerings. Illy, as a game, turns into a wargame after you've been playing for a few months; this, I thought, might not - actually I was right, in that this seems to push combat front-and-centre from the outset.

Example, I'm doing all the "career path" tutorials now - the Business tutorial in mission two says "go kill things", and the "explore" tutorial heavily hinted that in order to use the exploring systems "for real" I'll be doing a fair bit of PvE combat.

So, I came to the game with the wrong idea. I'm now suspecting - though I may be wrong - that the game has three hooks:
Slow paced combat, that gives you time to think and plan and react tactically. (Start Conflict gives you 3-4 modules, and is so fast that you rarely remember to use them; it looks like EVE will give lots more, but play at a pace where you can use them intelligently.)
Grinding. (I assume that mining is grinding, though I haven't been there, and I'm assuming that "exploration" is a grind/combat hybrid?)
High level politics, trade, market manipulation, deceit, spying alts, etc. - which presumably can give months of engagement for a committed veteran, but are out of the reach of us newbs.

So, OK, that's what I'm thinking, and I'm adjusting to that - starting a new character, etc. But I may be wrong. This is just what I've deduced. As a newcomer here I'd be interested in hearing what established players think "the hook" is, and I don't see that it's unreasonable to ask.

Right. You came here with the wrong idea about EVE. It happens. Now, have you started a thread in troll-free section on forums about EVE not being what you've expected and nailing it with a yell about other game?

I assume no.

I may be special, but when I start to play a game I realize I have no interest to keep playing, and uninstall it (especially after one day), I don't bother to spend my time posting stuff in forums, it's a waste of time invested into game and community I will never again interact with. Especially while yelling loudly how I am totally uninstalling the game.

Now think about it: why this guy is different? What could've led him into pasting stuff that's very out of typical newbie patterns of behaviour? Considering the fact that there are people who create alts or even accounts specifically for the purpose of trolling on forums, the answer is easy: his whole post was about trolling EVE and propagating Star Citizen :)

There is nothing wrong with asking about the hook. I believe there are several threads in General Discussions and maybe even here in New Citizens Q&A asking the same thing - in a less intrusive, less trolling way. But I don't believe the OP really wanted to know what attracts us to the game.

And with that said, I'm not going to talk about my hooks, I will happily do it in a new thread or any other thread, but this thread is for me more of a "how to recognize a troll". Which is, especially in EVE, quite important, unless you want to spend the rest of your playtime pondering about your sexual orientation, ability to play the game, ability to live your life as is, or whether you should really send someone 100 mil to let him double the ISK for you.