Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Would give wormholers the ability to use a core game mechanic in the space they live in too.

Corp-side limited engagements are clunky and probably hard to program.

I agree that a simple "Eject from corp on next logout or dock" flag would be far better. Or hell, even "Eject from corp on next warp" could work.

Don't give me this crap about "Hurr durr choices consequences". This is not an intentional gameplay style designed to promote interesting interactions, it's an unavoidable oversight that only exists because CCP was trying to fix a far worse exploit from past times.

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Also, it should be pointed out that it is not the obligation of corp owners to justify their desire to eject people from their corporation. This mechanic is implcit; It's your corp: you get to decide who gets in, who gets out, who's given roles, etc. If you don't like this, you, the AWOXer, must provide a counterargument. Now, the ability to eject people was revoked under certain circumstances, but the reason for this was explicitly to counter an exploit. However, in doing this, a new exploit was created.

The key is, the implication that an owner has a right to eject whoever they want has not changed. If we can find a better solution to the original exploit, then it should be implemented. The fact that the initial attempt opened up a new exploit does not somehow grant the new exploit more authority. The original and primary goal is to provide a CEO with the tools he needs to efficiently run a corp without being granted access to exploits.

If you want a license to shoot the guy, go start a war.

The automatic LE flag on corp-against-corp combat start is a good idea. It's been suggested before. Too bad we're past the cutoff for the current round of "Reasonable Things."

The current mechanic of "anything goes in corp-on-corp" could easily be changed to "any corp-on-corp aggression automatically begins a limited engagement." Rather than having corp-specific LE rules, just make any attack on a corpmate start a regular LE, and then let the already established LE code kick in. Booting someone from the corp should have no effect on the LE timer running, and it would continue to run so long as aggression continues.

If the LE ends, because combat ended, then it's just neut-on-neut and the usual rules apply. But so long as the LE continues, there is no exploit. If someone manages to break combat long enough for it to end, then that should not be a problem, and neither party can restart without the expected consequences.

Do this, and you completely solve the "exploits," in a way that makes good and sensible use of the new rules and reliable code already built into Crimewatch. With this in place, there is no longer any need for idiotic kludge-arounds like "can't kick in space."

It's a simple problem with a simple solution. Everything else that will be raised in this thread, as it is raised in every thread on this topic, to "justify" keeping a patently stupid mechanic made obsolete by the simple potential solution under the new Crimewatch, is just so much hurrdurr bullshit.

you are allowed to kick when they are in space and logged off already and if a person is staying online 23/7 to harrass your corp then a GM can infact kick them once the 24 hour wait time is over (that is 24 hours from the last time they had any corp roles). If any GM told you they couldnt after the 24 hours was already up then that GM doesnt know how to do his job and you need to demand the petition be fowarded to a senior GM. (and yes I know all this for a fact as I've been a ceo/director for over 3 years now and have had the same issue come up before)

The people whining are the ones AWOX'ing, naturally. I'm all for equal abuse; if you can AWOX corps members then you should be able to kick them out n space and set them up too. All is fair in love and war. :D

Oh, they are break EULA using an exploit. CCP fail when they implement that crap expel rules.
Who defend this, is on verge of using this.

I would hardly call removing someone from a corp "taking action against them" but ok yes if the corp wants them gone then the corp has the right to remove them, that has always been the case. Also it's not hard to simply log in immediately after DT and kick them while they are still offline.

We had this happen somewhat recently. Guy was booting ships out of a sma (why I have no idea), retrieved boats, changed passwords, removed roles, the guy decides to camp the system in a cloaked t3 for the next two weeks. Couldn't kick him out of corp as he would log in just after downtime, throw some music up and afk cloak for half the day, attempting to find a solo person to gank.

The gank part I'm fine with, the cloaking in the system part i'm fine with, the camping part i'm fine with. 2 weeks spent trying to remove the guy from corp... yea that was just fking dumb.

Great (and simple) idea.