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I think I've started this thread in a very good manner. Doesnt see anything bad in asking some kick start. But YOU pro-gamers started calling me a "beggar", 'some kind of RMT bussines guy (which I've no f* idea what it is)", and now I'm also a rude person who can't talk...

Stop running a bu**sht, as the rule of the forum states, if you dont want to help dont spam, just ignore the thread. Put your crazy ideas about banning,begging and etc with yourself.

I wish I was a pro gamer.

edit; if you want so much isk, why don't you just buy a few PLEX? Or are we beyond logical thinking..

BACK TO CHAOS!!!!
RAHHHHH

Can everybody just cool down your horses for a few minutes ?



Let me explain to you what spooked people around here in a verbose and roundabout way.

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The very first post you linked to only mentioned that you ARE NOT "allowed" (as in, punishable by banning) to transact in-game assets (ISK, goods, characters), in-game services nor anything else from within the game in exchange for REAL-LIFE money (late edit: nor RL goods nor services UNLESS they directly and mainly enhance your EVE experience - for instance, TS hosting, corp site hosting, killboard hosting, etc).
The only glaring exceptions to that are PLEX purchases from CCP directly, or GTC purchases (which can also be exchanged into PLEX through an automated system) from authorized resellers, or the very few things you can purchase (or raffle for) directly from CCP (or their official partners) in exchange for PLEX.

You ARE however always allowed to purchase any in-game goods, services, characters (or anything else) with ISK, regardless of whether you "earned" it in-game or sold a few PLEX/GTCs for it.
You also ARE allowed to buy PLEX/GTCs with ISK (PLEX can then be resold for ISK or other in-game things, but GTCs are automatically applied towards your account's paid-for duration).
Note: the only type of inter-player transaction allowed with GTCs (as opposed to PLEX) is the fully automated one that automatically applies the GTC to the account time.

Basically, you're allowed to pump as much cash into the game as you like (or none at all, you can manage without just fine too), but you are not allowed to "cash out" from the game (except in the extremely convoluted, volume and time limited, and inefficient loophole ways).
If CCP would freely allow "cash outs", the in-game economy would suffer a pretty serious blow on two fronts - one from all the legitimate users trying to cash out their excess assets, and the other one from the potentially huge upcoming farming operations.
The game would radically change for the worst, with newbies looking for a "mostly free" game being the ones most affected.
It could arguably lead to the point of mass desertions of legitimate paying customers, even to the so-called "death of EVE" (well, probably not outright death, but a significant lowering of actual users, which is a BAD thing).

Basically, RMT is arguably bad for EVE, and even the mere mention of maybe wanting to make it legal will incite fervent rage in all the older players.
Sadly, you inadvertently suggested just that, and you actually got off pretty lightly from what I would have expected.

Begging is also seen as a pretty weak-willed thing to do (and EVE's environment // ecosystem is fairly hostile to "weak"), and while you might have not realized you were doing it, your OP surely did sound a lot like asking for a handout.
You might have thought you just made a light-hearted comment, but in context, it didn't sound that way.


Also, what's the point of oodles of ISK ?
Well, ISK is not exactly power itself, but can be used as leverage for power (hire mercs, pay "wages" to corp or alliance members, support a war machine, etc). If you don't know what to do with it, they are not very useful past a modest amount, but if you do... well, the more, the better.
Of course, not having to pay cash and still maintaining an EVE presence is a nice bonus too.

Basically, there's plenty of reasons to want to have more ISK than the absolute minimum required.
And most people who have a lot of ISK earned it in some way or another (true, a few by scamming, but still, they sort of earned it too), and will not look kindly to somebody trying to gain some by mere pity.

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Let me repeat that : you CAN buy anything with ISK, including PLEX, which you can apply to your account as game time, so, yes, you CAN "play for free" (for a certain definition of "free" meaning "without paying RL cash").
But you can't cash out.
Pretty simple, really.

Oh, and don't assume what you wanted to say is what other people hear. Make sure you rephrase often, just in case.

Those were my 0.02 ISK as far as the "benefit of doubt" for you went.
I'm curious what you'll make of it.

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P.S. At the moment, I own well over 200 billion in liquid ISK (and a number of people owing me ISK, plus assets and so on and so forth, putting my ballpark NAV at over 400 billion).
Giving out fairly lucrative rewards (lucrative for a newbie, that is) in exchange for relatively menial in-game tasks that could somewhat easily be accomplished by newbies, that's a different story. But I don't plan on giving out much more than pocket change (for me) to anybody ever, and only loaning out noteworthy amounts to people I either know in RL well, or have a long history with in-game (preferably both at the same time).

Learning to get a thick skin is a good (not just EVE forum) survival trait.
Scampering off from a thread just because some people misunderstood and started wailing on you is not exactly a good position for future threads you make to start with as an easily searchable history.
It's best to "stand your ground" and calmly but firmly explain to people that misunderstood you why and how they misunderstood you.

P.S. See slight late edits above.

P.P.S. For hilarity's sake, this is me 7+ years ago with my very first forum post//thread being misunderstood quite fiercely too
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320553