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Another disinformation plot: 'Baseball invented in U.K.'

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#1 - 2013-07-26 18:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Oh come on. Now BBC is trying to claim that baseball was invented in the U.K. Everybody knows that the U.S. civil war general Abner Doubleday invented baseball. Just give it a rest guys, will you? Smile

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#2 - 2013-07-26 19:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Next thing you tell me Americans think they made Apple pie first and free market economics. Twisted

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-07-26 19:33:23 UTC
Isnt this akin to Ensign Chekov's constant blathering about how everything was a Russian inwention?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#4 - 2013-07-26 19:50:21 UTC
Not exactly, the American colonies were integrally as British as Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England. Also demographically The whole country has around 8 million people at the time, around 2.5 million of them in the 13 colonies. Baseball was a sport developed before independence and probably before the Mayflower, hence so much British culture from before 1774 is the same on both sides.

We're all speaking English for one, there's nothing wrong with it we are up until very recently in the grand scheme the same nation spread over the Atlantic P

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#5 - 2013-07-26 20:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: jason hill
baseball !
ist it that game played by children ...commonly referred to in the UK as ROUNDERS ?

next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? Roll

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-07-26 20:47:48 UTC
jason hill wrote:
next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? Roll


Nope. Invented by Al Gore after his stunning defeat of Manbearpig in 1977.

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Ila Gant
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-07-26 20:51:21 UTC
jason hill wrote:
baseball !
ist it that game played by children ...commonly referred to in the UK as ROUNDERS ?

next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? Roll

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I thought the web was a CERN thing... But ARPANet... That was connected to DARPA.

Baseball was sort of Henry Forded, if I may verb the name. Adopted and marketed as America's own.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#8 - 2013-07-26 20:53:10 UTC
(After some intensive research (in Wikipedia) on rounders) Yes, it does appear that rounders is a corrupted version of the American game of baseball. Interesting. I wonder how that crossed over the pond from the U.S. to the U.K.? Smile
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#9 - 2013-07-26 20:54:00 UTC
Henry Forded? Simplidied and mass produced?

Whichever way you skin it, its still a game played over here in a similar way to Football (soccer) is in the US back in the 70's 80's.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#10 - 2013-07-26 21:03:37 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Not exactly, the American colonies were integrally as British as Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England. Also demographically The whole country has around 8 million people at the time, around 2.5 million of them in the 13 colonies. Baseball was a sport developed before independence and probably before the Mayflower, hence so much British culture from before 1774 is the same on both sides.

We're all speaking English for one, there's nothing wrong with it we are up until very recently in the grand scheme the same nation spread over the Atlantic P

Yes. I'm reading a book about guerillas and counterinsurgency atm. It says that during the American Revolution, the British army considered the colonials as still "British," so they were pretty lenient with captured guerillas. Actually it seems the colonials considered themselves British too, and not yet "Americans." Most of them had no problem with Britain itself, they just didn't like the government's policies.

Hope the above lack of controversy or humor doesn't kill the thread. Flame on!
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#11 - 2013-07-26 21:15:11 UTC
It was a minority that imposed its will on the majority from what I understand. Look where the money goes, who owned slaves in the American founders and what was Britian moving to do to dismantle the slave trade. Arguable the lack of slave trade left the north out of the market and gave economic incentive to be opposed to slavery in addition to moral.

So indirectly, the American Rebellion and the American Civil War were both caused by the same policy in London. Ugh

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#12 - 2013-07-26 23:26:05 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(After some intensive research (in Wikipedia) on rounders) Yes, it does appear that rounders is a corrupted version of the American game of baseball. Interesting. I wonder how that crossed over the pond from the U.S. to the U.K.? Smile



probably the same way that American football is passed off as rugby but here in the rugby world we don't bother with the pads and helmets ..im not a rugby fan as such ....but I have watched American football and my wife has met a bloke called ricardo toomer (not sure if that's the right spelling) and she asked him about comparisions ... his appararent reply was ..he would not play rugby as its too dangerous ..

as the americans would say ...go figure
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#13 - 2013-07-26 23:33:50 UTC
oh and for the sake of balance cricket

the first actual recorded version of cricket is a 16th century portrait of the game is done by a dutch painter ..so cricket might not actually be an English game

but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#14 - 2013-07-27 01:26:19 UTC
as long as they don't challenge the obvious fact that the hobbit, bandobras "bullroarer" took, invented the game of golf at the battle of greenfields by knocking that goblins head off and it went rolling down a rabbit hole.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#15 - 2013-07-27 09:52:54 UTC
jason hill wrote:


but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish

This Scotsman finds no issue with this.

Note to self, learn to play Golf...

Wait seriously I thought that in NFL they play much more brutaly due to the fact they wear armour. Huh. Straight

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Fearghaz Tiwas
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-07-30 15:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Fearghaz Tiwas
As an english person that has played both rugby and american football, they are not the same. In rugby, tackling is about taking somebody to ground, often by dragging them. This is not effective in american football, because if you tackle like that the offence gets minimum 3 yards a down. Tackling in american football is about stopping the person dead on the spot. That isn't to say that you don't get brutal tackles in Rugby, or that every tackle in american football is harder, but its a different technique altogether. If you tried to american football tackle in a rugby match, you would likely really hurt yourself or the other person, and it would be a penalty. Obviously the pads do make things generally less painful/brutal though
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#17 - 2013-07-30 15:20:36 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
jason hill wrote:


but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish

This Scotsman finds no issue with this.

Note to self, learn to play Golf...

Wait seriously I thought that in NFL they play much more brutaly due to the fact they wear armour. Huh. Straight


From someone that has played both they are both brutal in their own rights. The standard way to tackle is very different in both, but both NFL and Rugby players utilize both forms of tackles. In NFL the defender typically hits someone as hard as they can and try to push them backwards. In Rugby the defender typically utilizes the ball holders momentum to basically suplex the individual to the ground. Rugby players try to utilize the momentum of the ball holder to take them to the ground while the NFL player tries to totally stop and move the ball holder in the other direction. That being said the NFL and Rugby players use both forms of tackles it is just that the ones described are the predominant form.

Basically NFL players will lower their heads and try to battering ram the ball holder. Rugby players try to pick them up and slam them to the ground. Both very violent and both create very similar incidence rates of the same types of injuries.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#18 - 2013-07-30 15:29:31 UTC
Aye, we had an NFL here a few years back, was popular as Rugby is the main sport I reckon here and the major tournaments are a bit rarer than the fans would like.

Pity it got closed down, I was starting to get interested in the sport (we saw it as a similar sport to Rugby than we did to Football) but hey, what can you do.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-07-31 07:15:41 UTC
Both stories are utter fabrications anyway.

Baseball was invented in the beautiful island nation of Cuba, from which comes the finest players of the game that money can buy.
CCP Falcon
#20 - 2013-07-31 11:32:43 UTC

This is where baseball's roots are.

The US did technically invent Baseball, but it's a spin off from a game that's been played in the UK for centuries which leads to a lot of arguments.

The vast majority of sports that exist in the USA are the same as the foundations of it's culture; an amalgamation of ideas from many countries brought over when the US was colonized by Europe.

I think the only sport that's really "truly" american is stock car racing, which evolved from people illegally running hooch across state lines in cars modified specifically to do so.

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