EVE General Discussion

Before you blast and troll me, please read the entire thing carefully so you will understand my reasoning behind this.

Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services? If concord will chase you through space, the star stations should not want your business and refuse you docking permission, or at the least bend you over and charge you a huge docking and service fee to allow you to use their services.

To take this a step further, if your standing with an empire branch is low enough that they want to shoot you in the face, you shouldn't be allowed to dock in one of their stations. Example. Your standing with the Amarr Empire is -4.59, you are allowed to dock in Amarr empire allied stations. However, if your standing with the Amarr Empire is -5.0 no Amarr allied station will allow you to dock.

Now, by allied station I mean specifically, Amarr Empire NPC corporations etc. I am not talking about Caldari stations as well in my example.

Now there is more here so don't get your grundies in a bundle just yet.

I propose that CCP create Criminal star stations in empire space where criminals can dock for free, but 'good guys' get charged exorbitant docking and service fees (and run the risk of having a module stolen off their ship by the criminal station denizens. Whats good for the goose...). Their services would be identical for all intents and purposes but they'd add another layer of immersion to the game (same with the standings idea). Now the real trick would be if you have sucky standings with the criminal organizations, their not going to want you to dock either, so you'll need to have no lower than a -4.99 standing with them to dock in their stations.

basically this would add more depth and give more interesting consequences to career paths. You could make it so there were special black market missions to raise your criminal standings with the criminal organizations like Guristas etc.

Just some thoughts that were peculating through my head to add more depth and immersion to the game and make it have some real interesting twists and complications.

*edit* I see from several explanations that most of what I was thinking isn't really viable within the context of the game. I posted another response (post #20) with further questions and would like your input on the ideas proposed.

Mostly because, "criminal status" is not dependent on having done anything illegal to those 4 empires.

You're breaking CONCORD's laws, so only they chase/harrass you.

Now, you join Amarr FW corp in the middle of Rens? Then the empire's ships will attack you.

CONCORD /= Empires.

Also, proposals belong in a different forum, not here.

Capitalism does not care about your security status. You're all just floating ships of isk in the eyes of the station commanders and marketeers.

Real Life criminals walk into McDonald's for burgers all the time after completing their nefarious acts.

Is Scotty the Docking Manager responsible for keeping up with the news ???

So let me get this straight. If you are a criminal you can't dock and concord hates you. Yet they would allow criminals to make whole criminal stations ins empire?
Sure the station would just get Concorded.

They have criminal stations. They are in low/null and are run by pirate factions.

When you break CONCORD's laws, you are not doing anything wrong against the empires. The empires do no care if you shoot another capsuleer, it has nothing to do with them and they would probably rather not get involved.

Even if the empires did care (which they wouldn't) the vast majority of stations (generally outside of Amarr space) are run by corporations which have very loose ties to the empires they reside in anyway. So even if the empire did not want you to dock, the corporations which own the stations wouldn't listen to them anyway.

Not even from an RP perspective. Any violence you do against players doesn't mean crap to the Empires. THe exception is if that player was in a FW corp, in which case you lose reputation with that faction accordingly. The empires couldn't care less how many unaligned capsuleers you kill.

Didn't think you could dock with a GCC.... oh well, silly me

Beccause faction standing has nothing to do with security status and the "criminal" label is something veru relative and only related to Concord and specific actions in specific space.

Because empires are not under Concord law. there's no central governament in New Eden.

Becuase Concord is not like FBI in a context where New Eden is like USA.

Because EVE is not an "ethic" game setting, with good and bad guys; I'm an hero for the Minmatar Republic, I could commi any act of crime against Concord but the Republic will still greet me like an hero when I dock in their stations. On the other side Amarr consider me a terrorist and their NPC insults and chase me when I fly in Amarr space.

Because, in the end, EVE do not provide "morals" letting the players building it. That's one of the best thing in this game :)

I doubt that there would be any real change to gameplay with that plan.

Most low sec and null sec stations are not frequented enough by highseccers to make a difference. Additionally, the probably of ship loss and dangerous passage makes low/null stations undesirable in the first place to high-seccers (the reason why most RL countries got to great lengths to protect there sea trade routes as it is the blood flow of economy for the most parts).

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