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Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#1 - 2013-07-26 02:43:06 UTC
Why is it that freighters have such low hp that they can get ganked in highsec by a bunch of destroyers? It just seems silly. eve killboard is kind of depressing.
Lee Hekard
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-07-26 02:51:08 UTC
Dunno.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-26 02:56:03 UTC

Try Autopilot/OFF next time, it will improve the freighter HP, believe me. Pirate

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Slutvana Khorkina
Bad Touches
#4 - 2013-07-26 03:00:37 UTC
a "bunch"? It would take more like a swarm of destroyers to take down a freighter. When I watched Burn Jita the thrashers would blot out the sun when they landed. Usually Tornados and Vexors and the like are used. Maybe a few dessies for the new guys.

Don't AP and think about getting a corpmate to web you so you warp faster. Never carry more in cargo than it would be worth in Tornados to gank you.

"Imagine the kind of stories people would read about EVE if the carebears got their wish. 'In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!'" -- James 315
Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#5 - 2013-07-26 03:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Slutvana Khorkina wrote:
a "bunch"? It would take more like a swarm of destroyers to take down a freighter. When I watched Burn Jita the thrashers would blot out the sun when they landed. Usually Tornados and Vexors and the like are used. Maybe a few dessies for the new guys.

Don't AP and think about getting a corpmate to web you so you warp faster. Never carry more in cargo than it would be worth in Tornados to gank you.


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-26 03:10:28 UTC
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.
Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#7 - 2013-07-26 03:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Hello GoodSir
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-26 03:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Slutvana Khorkina wrote:
a "bunch"? It would take more like a swarm of destroyers to take down a freighter. When I watched Burn Jita the thrashers would blot out the sun when they landed. Usually Tornados and Vexors and the like are used. Maybe a few dessies for the new guys.

Don't AP and think about getting a corpmate to web you so you warp faster. Never carry more in cargo than it would be worth in Tornados to gank you.


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Either the guy on the Rapier is a spy or he he used the warp scramble instead of the webber on the freighter, or both.

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-07-26 03:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.


14 Vs 1. What's the problem?

400m would only be profitable if the gankers time was free. Which it clearly isn't (unless there's a rash of 400m cargo ganks you can point me to).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#10 - 2013-07-26 03:30:48 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.


14 Vs 1. What's the problem?

400m would only be profitable if the gankers time was free. Which it clearly isn't (unless there's a rash of 400m cargo ganks you can point me to).



Because 15 catalysts cost under 50m and can kill a freighter in 10seconds. Easily profitable even if they hit freighters full of fuel or trit.
Octavian Madullier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-26 03:31:19 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.


i disagree ...

IRL freighters, while they can carry a lot of stuff are easily and were easily sunk and or boarded captured by almost any military unit ...

take what is happening in the middle east and africa at the moment .. 4 or 5 somalias in a motorised dinghy are able to take control of massive freighters ...

and during WWI ... a submarine with a few torpedoes and a 4inch bang stick was able to sink freighters, oil tankers etc ...

so to say that in EVE that just due to its sheer size that a freighter should be gank proof or should take major capital unit[s] to gank the freighter is not realistic ...

and we will continue to gank ... and enjoy the carebear tears ...

In a world where data is coin of the realm,  and transmissions are guarded by no better sentinels than man-made codes and corruptible devices, there is no such thing as a secret. Dr Kio Masada
Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#12 - 2013-07-26 03:35:27 UTC
Octavian Madullier wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.


i disagree ...

IRL freighters, while they can carry a lot of stuff are easily and were easily sunk and or boarded captured by almost any military unit ...

take what is happening in the middle east and africa at the moment .. 4 or 5 somalias in a motorised dinghy are able to take control of massive freighters ...

and during WWI ... a submarine with a few torpedoes and a 4inch bang stick was able to sink freighters, oil tankers etc ...

so to say that in EVE that just due to its sheer size that a freighter should be gank proof or should take major capital unit[s] to gank the freighter is not realistic ...

and we will continue to gank ... and enjoy the carebear tears ...


and when the somloians get blown out of the water they die and dont magically resurrect at home with their family millions of isk richer
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-07-26 03:38:30 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Why is it that freighters have such low hp that they can get ganked in highsec by a bunch of destroyers? It just seems silly. eve killboard is kind of depressing.



Low ?

You have no real idea of what the addition of even just 1 Low and/or 1 Mid slot would do to a freighter tank, do you?

Roll

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Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#14 - 2013-07-26 03:42:05 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Why is it that freighters have such low hp that they can get ganked in highsec by a bunch of destroyers? It just seems silly. eve killboard is kind of depressing.



Low ?

You have no real idea of what the addition of even just 1 Low and/or 1 Mid slot would do to a freighter tank, do you?

Roll


i nevr said anything about slots.
It should have more armor or shields with base resists not 120k structure at 0% to get slaughtered by max dps ganks
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-26 03:44:20 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:


Because 15 catalysts cost under 50m and can kill a freighter in 10seconds. Easily profitable even if they hit freighters full of fuel or trit.


Since you already gave the names, can I ask you something?

You (on the other toon or toons) were piloting the rapier, the freighter or both?

It's pretty easy to figure what happened, me and other players already pointed it. Are you trying to blame CCP on the freigher design for something that, obviously, happened?

Take your lesson, move on, and read my signature.

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#16 - 2013-07-26 03:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Slutvana Khorkina wrote:
a "bunch"? It would take more like a swarm of destroyers to take down a freighter. When I watched Burn Jita the thrashers would blot out the sun when they landed. Usually Tornados and Vexors and the like are used. Maybe a few dessies for the new guys.

Don't AP and think about getting a corpmate to web you so you warp faster. Never carry more in cargo than it would be worth in Tornados to gank you.


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel.

Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.


Let's see ... a Brutix, a Rapier and 12 T2 fit Catalysts, 10 of which appear to be multiboxed, combined for over 165,000 dps to take down one freighter in a 0.5 system. Looks like that was totally simple to do, the kind of gank that was thrown together on the spur if the moment with no planning at all. Roll

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Hello GoodSir
Infinity Research
#17 - 2013-07-26 03:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Hello GoodSir
Bloody Slave wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:


Because 15 catalysts cost under 50m and can kill a freighter in 10seconds. Easily profitable even if they hit freighters full of fuel or trit.


Since you already gave the names, can I ask you something?

You (on the other toon or toons) were piloting the rapier, the freighter or both?

It's pretty easy to figure what happened, me and other players already pointed it. Are you trying to blame CCP on the freigher design for something that, obviously, happened?

Take your lesson, move on, and read my signature.



Actually i have nothing to do with that mail. i just used it as an example. im a neutral party that thinks this is rediculous
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-26 03:56:02 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:

Actually i have nothing to do with that mail. i just used it as an example. im a nautral party that thinks this is rediculous


Sure. Roll

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2013-07-26 04:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Because 15 catalysts cost under 50m and can kill a freighter in 10seconds. Easily profitable even if they hit freighters full of fuel or trit.



So where is this rash of freighters being ganked with just Trit in them. If you were right that a 15 man catalyst gang will profit from a 400m freighter gank, you could easily point to them.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-07-26 04:57:33 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I wouldn't call 200k "such low hp". Problem isn't the HP of the ship, it's the value of the cargo. Do the math and don't carry enough to make a gank profitable.


if you can use a dozen destroyers or a few brutix then you would have to carry under 400m. even filled with trit is worth 400m. The whole point of a freighter is to carry alot; it should take a great deal to high sec gank one.


14 Vs 1. What's the problem?

400m would only be profitable if the gankers time was free. Which it clearly isn't (unless there's a rash of 400m cargo ganks you can point me to).



Because 15 catalysts cost under 50m and can kill a freighter in 10seconds. Easily profitable even if they hit freighters full of fuel or trit.


15 x Catalysts @ 1.25 mil: 18.75 mil
15 x 8 Light Neutron Blaster IIs @ 0.9 mil: 108 mil
15 x 3 Magnetic Field Stabilizers @ 0.8 mil: 36 mil

I stopped here, as I don't know what goes into a gank fit besides damage. Ammo is negligible, since they don't expect to fire many shots, but I don't know if anything goes in the mids. Regardless, we're already well over your 50m figure at 162 mill investment. And given that the gankers are relying on the loot fairy, they're not going to spend their time on a drop that requires 40% of the cargo to drop just to break even. And that's not even accounting for the fact that there was a Brutix in that example you linked, which would make the break even point somewhere closer to 60%.

It's all about economics and profit, which is why it confuses me so much that my fellow marketeers complain so bitterly about ganks. It's not hard to figure how much you can haul while keeping yourself an undesirable target. And don't bloody autopilot, FFS.
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