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Does anyone have a good up to date Arazu fit?

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#1 - 2013-07-25 19:22:18 UTC
The ones I found are all grossly out of date.

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Whitehound
#2 - 2013-07-25 19:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
It is too slow right now.

[Arazu, PvP armor]

Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile (or cloak)

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Vespa EC-600 x4 (or Warrior IIs)

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#3 - 2013-07-25 20:12:28 UTC
I was thinking more a Meta 8 disruptor for long point support.

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Whitehound
#4 - 2013-07-25 21:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
I was thinking more a Meta 8 disruptor for long point support.

It has got plenty of CPU/PG left, even more when you swap the missile launcher for a cloak. The meta 4 disruptor will go out to 40km, but you sure can fit a more expensive one. The problem is however that the ship is just slow. Even with overdrive and T2 thruster rig does it go only 1800 m/s (2200 m/s with a full snake set). It then has got only 10k eHP.

A Proteus might be all round better even when its e-war is not as strong as the Arazu's.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-07-25 21:12:06 UTC
you fit up an Arazu, then you ditch it and get a Celestis instead.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#6 - 2013-07-25 21:13:35 UTC
Shouldn't level 5 recon plus overheating get the domi long point to at least 72 km?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-25 21:18:56 UTC
Arazu hasn't changed in the last few years how can the fits be out of date?

It's just a long point support ship, if you wanted damps you get a maulus.

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Whitehound
#8 - 2013-07-25 21:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Shouldn't level 5 recon plus overheating get the domi long point to at least 72 km?

I have just checked, Republic Fleet (140m ISKs) and Domination (167m ISKs) go as far as 60km, 72km with overheating.

I cannot recommend it. The faction points cost as much as the ship and the ship can barely deal with the DPS of 5 Warriors.

Here is passive shield tank fitting, but with only one sensor dampener. It is cap stable as long as you do not use the railguns (9 minutes with) and the tank is 24k eHP with 54 eHP/s avg. shield recharge. Same speed, 1800 m/s.

[Arazu, PvP shield]

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Reactor Control Unit II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Capacitor Battery II

200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II

Vespa EC-600 x4 (or Warrior IIs)

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Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#9 - 2013-07-25 23:26:17 UTC
Urg those fits are so bad.

The ship is designed as all recons to be used in gangs, as such a good recon pilots knows that they should be warping in at a different range to the rest of the gang. If FC calls for planet II at 30 recons warp at 50, that way the enemy gang has to come though your dps to get to you, and if they manage that then its time to gtfo.

Just as the rapier should have faction webs the arazu should have faction point and scram, turning off people mwd's at 37k and keeping point to 107k is just to useful to cheap out.

This fit is pretty fast, agile, and has a decent buffer. Reason for projectiles over rails is pretty simple, they dont use cap, with rails its almost half's the burn time (5m 38s down to 3m 50s with 1 250mm rail) , and a recon is not their for dps so any gun is only their to whore on stuff anyway. Smarty is pretty obviously for anti ecm drone work.

[Arazu, Shield Nano]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4
Whitehound
#10 - 2013-07-25 23:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Ong wrote:
Urg those fits are so bad.

Yours is just as bad. You are not even trying to dampen the lock range of your target. Scram and a disruptor is one too many. And that one Howitzer is a joke. You then cannot hold point for more than 8 minutes at most before you run out of cap.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-26 00:03:35 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ong wrote:
Urg those fits are so bad.

Yours is just as bad. You are not even trying to dampen the lock range of your target. And that one Howitzer is a joke, right?


White, you're out of your depth here, stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

You're trying to fit damage and tank on your arazu: that's not it's purpose.

You're a support ship that prevents kiting fleets from working in conjunction with other recons like the rapier and like all recons work best with skirmish links.

The one howitzer is most likely for km whoring.

Arazu job: point something at 80km and damp out snipers.

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Whitehound
#12 - 2013-07-26 00:09:14 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
White, you're out of your depth here, stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

You're trying to fit damage and tank on your arazu: that's not it's purpose.

You're a support ship that prevents kiting fleets from working in conjunction with other recons like the rapier and like all recons work best with skirmish links.

The one howitzer is most likely for km whoring.

Arazu job: point something at 80km and damp out snipers.

Nonsense. I usually do not judge the fittings of others, because I know that everyone has different goals, but two can play the game. He likely just used my fitting as a template and changed it for his needs and then trolls. I can just as easily say his fitting is bad and point out the weaknesses.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-07-26 00:11:14 UTC
still doesn't change the fact you're posting a failfit yourself =S

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Whitehound
#14 - 2013-07-26 00:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
still doesn't change the fact you're posting a failfit yourself =S

I do not see you posting fittings. You are just trolling again.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-07-26 00:18:33 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The ones I found are all grossly out of date.


Probably but what are you trying to achieve with?

Tandem with bomber to pop low sec ratters/missioners?

Hot drop?

The heck syndrome?

If tandem you need speed (tank is secondary unlike falcon) damp range as hell = 3damps +long range point, let your buddy dps the thing and eventually add your drones (ecm are cool on top) to hoar on km or just shot your poor 200's with pike to do ridiculous dmg.

If hotdrop you're 100²x better shield fitting+point (about 80K EHP with high resist profile), point the thing open cyno and let them do the job.


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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-26 00:20:10 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
still doesn't change the fact you're posting a failfit yourself =S

I do not see you posting fittings. You are just trolling again.


One could also classify your fits as trolling since they are so bad.

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Whitehound
#17 - 2013-07-26 00:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
still doesn't change the fact you're posting a failfit yourself =S

I do not see you posting fittings. You are just trolling again.


One could also classify your fits as trolling since they are so bad.

Post a fitting!

Mine at least dampen the lock range and thereby avoid taking damage. An Arazu has got a terrible tank. Fitting three LSEs or wanting to turn off an MWD from 20km range will not stop it from dying. It is a recon and meant to operate alone for a longer time. It needs to be able to hold point for as long as is necessary and stay alive.

He would be better off with a Proteus and Friction Extension subsystem than with an Arazu with no sensor dampeners.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-26 01:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
I didn't say his fit was any good either, just so we're clear.

Firstly you have to understand the reasoning behind flying a force recon: the one advantage they have over their combat recon brothers is the ELEMENT OF SURPRISE.

You don't ever fly a force recon unless you're going to utilise that cloak in some way.

So this logic breeds 3 types of razus:

1. Kiting support
2. Anti kiting
3. Hot drop o'clock

Your kiting support razu is going to be cloaked at a tac within warp range of the main fleet and where they are engaging, looking on until this happens:

Fleet baits enemy into fight, they chase. You uncloak, warp to your blob and hold point on what your fleet is sniping at. You damp out any long range threats they may have.
Anything that gets close, you use your superior scram range to shut it down.

Taking all this into account you get something like this:

[Arazu, kiter]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sister Combat Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II

Highs and drones to taste. Some put salvager/cyno, some put 3 rails to just add some damage. Personally I go with one heavy missile launcher and covert/regular cyno. Drones I have 5 warriors and 3 EC-300s.

So moving onto the anti-kiting razu, your role is to limit their damage by damping priority targets (possibly another arazu in the above configuration) and holding point on something while something else grabs scram or you counter-snipe it to death.

[Arazu, counterkite]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sister Combat Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II

The idea is to keep your sig low and have a good enough armour buffer to survive a potential switch and the ECCM provides falcon protection and the sebo enables you to target to your point range even with one damp on you.

Once again highs and drones to taste, I would probably go cyno/salvager, drones honestly don't matter in this role

And finally the surprise buttsecks fit where you actually may need a bit of tank and gank, it's similar to the previous fit in the tank aspect but all you are is a glorified heavy tackle that can use a covert bridge, jobs done better by a proteus really but sometimes why the **** not (and its cheaper).

[Arazu, SURPRIZE]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Valkyrie II x4

And i duno if you can count the baitrazu but thats just fitting as much tank on the thing as possible with a cyno and a couple of points

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Whitehound
#19 - 2013-07-26 02:53:48 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I didn't say his fit was any good either, just so we're clear.

Very well. And the next time you see someone posting a fitting then do not judge it unless someone thinks they need to judge yours. It only derails into ego trips and "who's got the best" trolls, when we all get our ideas from looking at fittings of others and it is all handed-down information.

That said, I still do not like the idea of fitting 280m ISKs worth of faction gear onto a ship with only 8k eHP and no repair rate or shield recharge and then to kite within less than 20km range. I prefer to fight another day than to tell my mates that I lost the target and my ship.

I have also no idea why I would want to fit an AB onto it. It will be the ship that a target will likely try to kill first. Any target this slow that I could dampen out the damage will have lots of drones and I will only fail again. Honestly, your idea behind the second fitting sounds like it is better suited for a Combat Recon or, again, to use a Proteus.

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Jayka Kyer
Eternal Chaos.
#20 - 2013-07-26 11:12:12 UTC
Hey,
I was gonna play with an Arazu with a friend in a rapier, it was just for ganks in a wormhole but it may work for what ever your doing.



[Arazu, Jayka 2]
Internal Force Field Array I
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II


Hobgoblin II x2
Hammerhead II x3



Please note i roll with these implants (yes i know people don't like them but the fit was originally for me)

ca-1
ca-2
eg-603

i would also use but not needed -
sm-703
mh-803
ss-903


stats with my implants and heat -
effective hp 30,399
tanks 920
dps 470
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