Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice idea :) People should be encouraged to find a ship niche that suites them.

How about when Dust 514 comes out, we get a dedicated planetary siege cruiser for planet bombardment?

…and that would be bad. It would significantly reduce the variety of ship compositions and would, indeed, make it into mini-carriers online since you'd pretty much have to field one to have a sporting chance.
Why is that needed? More importantly: if it can stand up to that kind of abuse, how do you gank it?
…which, again, would be bad.

Ships in highsec need to be fragile. Otherwise, they provide far too much safety under the umbrella of CONCORD. What you're asking for has no place in that kind of environment.

But sure, if you want that kind of survivability it must come at a cost. How about: they cannot be undocked unless you're under a wardec? Or how about: they are completely exempt from CONCORD protection — attacking one does not trigger a response and does not cause a sec status hit. That's the paradox you need to address if you want it in highsec: a ship that strong needs to still be easy to kill.

Here I was thinking I get new ideas from the community, le sigh....

My Catalouge of Designed ships from smallest to biggest

Fighter-Interceptor - Fighters designed to take out other fighters and drones.
Corvette - Pod piloted Fighter Sqadron leader, provides bonuses to assigned fighters normally lost from a carrier.

Minelayer - Frigate with special control for suicide drones and expanded drone bays
Swamer - Tech 2 Minelayer deploys more mines than traditionally, suffers lack of cargo bay and limited employment on field.

Command Frigate - Frigate able to fit a single link and keep pace with desrons

Bomber - Sniping Missile Frigate
Heavy Bomber - Non-stealth bomber, with multiple launchers.

Heavy Destoyer - Less Offense more defense DDs
Gunship - T2

Escort Destoyer - lower offense DD with more utility
Starking - T2 Support ECM platform (IE Remote Sensor Boosters)

Tenders - Tier 2 Logistics for Hull and Module Repairs, able to transfer heat from others to itself, recovers drones and delivers drones and ammos into ships bays remotely.

Voyager Ships - Sisters of Eve Ships designed for exploration and revamped archeaology

Hypernet Ships - Mordus Legion ships designed for Digital Fortress Artisans and revamped hacking.

Reclaimer Ships - Thukker Tribe ships designed for advanced salvaging that recovers entire parts of scraps.

Munitions Ships - A heavy minelaying Tech 2 battlecruiser, has longer endurance than the smaller ships but still is exhaustable supply of mines rather quickly

Flagships - A special Tech 2 battleship that generates a powerful field around itself, field effects vary upon the desire of the pilot scripting, most electronic warfare effects and other non traditional ones such as Forcefields. Some effects consume fuel.

Superbattleship - New Weight Classifcation and Training Regiment, Warships marginally larger than a battleship that bear some capitol ship like capabilities and mission roles without outmassing gate limits, much sacrifices where made into the desing that they are nothing more than slightly tougher and slightly more dangerous battleships overall. IE an Orca would fall into this classification if it had weapons.

Tier 1
Escort Carrier- A small carrier that can only launch a single wing of fighters to support the fleet, has exclusive use of fighter interceptors. Great for escorting assualt forces Cynojammed system where carriers and super carriers are present.

Tier 2
Arsenel Ship - A small tough seige platform able to mount a seige mode module and a XL gun. Great for assailing capitol ships and seiging any cynojammers.

I do have alot more ships but I donnot feel like sharing them at the moment.

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hmmm you're going about the entirely the wrong way.

To put it simply:

We keep looking to the heavens to justify our existence.
-NASA

I believe most ships can be fit with thee or similar configurations. At least your thinking creatively though.

Jarome... answer this for me...

If my enemy has a ship that can tank multiple battleships and still fight back, why would I bring anything else to the field other than that same ship (or staggering amount of people)?

If there is a corp restriction to their use... I have all my guys make their own personal corps, war dec you and/or make an alliance between us all, and then each field our own personal "mini-carrier."


Look... here's the thing. Your idea is not new. CCP tried to introduce the "flagships" concept by bringing in Titans and Supercarriers. They were meant to be so ungodly expensive and so difficult to build that only large groups of players could afford to build them... making them corporate/alliance assets... "flagships."

The reality of the situation was that players found a way to streamline the building process, amass huge amounts of ISK (both corporate/alliance and personal), and begin building/buying/selling them for "personal use."
And given their power, it'd be DUMB not to build/buy them en mass and field them against an enemy who may or may not also be building/buying them as well in the hope to gain the SAME tactical advantage.
It's the goddamn Cold War all over again. Except without the fear of wiping out all life as we know it and no economic/resource/manpower/political restrictions.


Now... you can TRY to install restrictions on the use of "mini-carriers"... however past experience tells us that no matter how obscure a loophole or a workaround is, it WILL be found. In which case you create a nightmare scenario for the programmers on trying to keep one step ahead of the players... and all because one ship seemed "cool" to introduce.

Yes. That's the whole point: if you want something that strong, it needs to be horribly dangerous to sit in one, or people will use it to be far safer than they should be.
Since the whole design concept is "it can stand up to multiple battleships", it is less fragile than is good for anyone. “Multiple battleship” is how many should be needed to one-shot it — not how many you need to grind it down over time.

But as others have mentioned: the problem here is that you want a ship with particular characteristics, not a role, and you're trying to invent the latter based on the former. That's not a good way of doing things. You do it the other way around: you figure out a role that needs to be filled and then invent a ship for it. “Withstanding damage” is not a useful role, and it is most certainly not what's needed in highsec, due to the protection that already exists there.

Additionally, if this thing could carry fighters, what's to stop me just clustering a bunch of these round a POS or station and assigning an enormous blob of fighters to the gang doing the actual fighting?

Mini-Logistics.

So T2 Class Frigates with bonus's to remote repair range and amount. Great for Wolfpacks and Frigate-on-Frigate PVP.

hmm new ships?

ok ewar cap ship that can tackle super caps but only when in seige mode

a real mother ship mobile unanchoable jumpable outpost that can traverse worm holes...

heavy bomber tech II tier II bc's that shoot citadel torps (think big stealth bomber)

a bs sized dedicated logi ship

tier II destroyers

tech III frigs

deep space exploration vessel designed to go outside of solar systems to find rouge planets and sets up shop using science stuff to get advanced minnerals/technology for tech III mods...

a new dictor probe/ hictor mod that instead of disrupting warp it acts as a giant stasis webber... 20km radius...

umm.... perhaps a big bs that works like a battlestar where is gets like 2 captal guns and gets a wing of fighters...

thats it for now