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Low-Sec mission hubs?
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Anna niedostepny
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-07-10 13:16:50 UTC
I was wondering if there were any good systems for running low-sec missions? I am looking for a system with L2-4 mission agents with multiple 4s.

I was also wondering what LP difference is in low-sec compared to high-sec?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-07-10 13:31:23 UTC
payouts increase by 10% for every .1 sec status (so in a -1.0 system you will get 3x the payouts as in a 1.0 system).

there are some lowsec mission running corps, but due to the nature of lowsec it's quite hard to keep your mission boat safe which means you are cutting into your profits quite a lot.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-10 13:36:43 UTC
You might get up to twice the LP from a low-sec agent as opposed to a hi-sec agent, but there are several offsetting factors.

* There's a much lower density of stations in low-sec as opposed to hi-sec; most systems have zero or one, with multi-station systems a minority, added to the fact that not every station will have an L4 security agent, and some of those will be faction war agents, who won't give missions to neutrals.
* The risk factor is significantly greater; depending on the location, you've got to figure even odds you'll lose your ship if you're lucky, and you can end up failing a lot of missions that way, and every mission failure requires a number of mission successes to offset the reputation hit you'll take.

Put it all together, and I'm not sure there's a low-sec system anywhere in the entire game world that's a viable mission hub.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#4 - 2013-07-10 15:11:33 UTC
If your so inclined to try but, keep this in mind, every low sec pirate knows every inch of that low sec system so they know where to wait for you, they will look for you to undock, scan you down everytime, and you will become they new low sec game they will continuously hunt.

Not worth the headache in my opinion.

Your best bet is just do lvl 4 missions with good high lvl agent, train relevant skills (social skills) to increase lp payout and better offered missions.
Zeel Aldair
Guerilla Tactics
#5 - 2013-07-10 17:13:27 UTC
One place you might want to try, if you're looking for several agents in the same system, is Aeschee. It's got a lot of L4 agents, and I think a couple of L2 and L3 as well. 0.2 sec status.

As others have said though, there is WAY more risk in running missions in low sec. Even if you know what you're doing as far as local/scanner/bookmarks/etc etc, it's still risky. People can scan you down fast, and you'll be doing missions a bit slower since (I hope) you won't use all your fancy faction mods, and might drop in an extra module or two to counter other players.

The rewards definitely are better, and I made a lot of money running missions in Aeschee years ago (when SOE was well worth running for and they had two Q20 agents in the same station), but nowadays I dunno. The risk probably isn't worth the extra reward.
Khanid Voltar
#6 - 2013-07-10 18:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
Some good (and not so good) advice thus far in this thread.

Anna, you are just going to have to do your homework on eve-agents, it is laborious, but not as laborious as using the in game tools. The only people who are going to suggest systems are people that dont use those systems any more as, well, otherwise they would be taking the risk of a pirate dropping by to see whats happening. Or people wanting to bait you to come out there.

The best mission system (for you) will be one noone has ever heard of. That way no pirates will stop by.

One last thing. There are L4 agents in all low sec from 0.1-0.4, and contrary to what Marc says as high a proportion of systems with multiple stations in as high sec . I would suggest you evaluate the 'best mission hub' as the one you lose the least ships in. EG that 0.3 that everyone else ignores because there is a 0.1 with a cloning facility 2 jumps away might very well be the best. As you wont get ganked / interrupted as much.

Not telling you my system as I still have my ship out there. But ultimately quite quickly realised that dual boxing high sec l4's was the step upwards I was looking for from single boxing high sec l4's, not single boxing l4 in low sec - the lp increase really isnt that much and the rest of the rewards are just about the same. Lots of ppl told me that before I tried it, but I wanted to try it myself so I did - but to reiterate the increase in lp rewards was quite marginal.

edit - ok 1 small tip. find a dead end constellation to minimise passing traffic.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-11 05:47:23 UTC
Many many many moons ago when I lived in Derelik I used to run L4 missions for Ammatar fleet in Aranir....you can find some quite non faction war areas where you might be the only person or 1 of 2 or 3 in local for days or weeks.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-11 13:28:32 UTC
I apologize if my information was incomplete; most of my lowsec experience is in the faction-war zones, specifically Black Rise, which is pretty barren territory for neutral mission-runners. They're also stiff with pirates as well as militia pilots, who will probably mark you down as a potential enemy intelligence asset and a definite threat.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-12 12:54:45 UTC
Anna niedostepny wrote:
I was wondering if there were any good systems for running low-sec missions? I am looking for a system with L2-4 mission agents with multiple 4s.


You can use eve-agents.com or the in-game agent tool to find low-sec agents, i'm not sure what you mean by good systems, but there are no system where you can just run missions like it was hi-sec.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-07-12 13:25:43 UTC
I generally find that lvl4 low sec mission running just isn't worth it.

-Its dumb to use the kind of ship for lvl4 low sec as you would in high sec,making mission completion times drop, which narrows the advantage you get from the increased rewards

-As others have said, people can scan you down really quickly. Even if they don't catch YOU, if you didn't warp out fast enough they may now have a bookmark to your mission (that they could not have gotten otherwise), and because players can cloak in missions, you don't have any idea if they are in your mission or not when you go back. Sure you should be prepared to run or defend yourself in any event, but the most likely and safe outcome is to just fail the mission and move on. You take a hit for that.

-Lvl 4 missions many times take you out of system, and moving system to system in low sec can be tedious and dangerous, even when you take precautions like warp core stabs, MWD+ cloak trick, covert cloaks on T3s etc. Those defensive measures/mods ALWAYS degrade the performance of your ship in someway, if the "next door" system you go to has a station you can dock and refit, if not you just have to mission in the fit you take with you.

The End result of it all (having to take so many precautions, starting with insta undockes ect) is that you end up being better of running missions in high sec where you can't be bothered without a suicide attack or wardec. Lower but steadier income.

I use low sec for lvl 5 missions (which ARE imo worth the hassle) and npc null sec for lvl 4 missions. Npc null is even harder for missioning (because of bubbles and you don't even get gate/station) guns to help lol, but the rewards are EPIC. I was selling pirate battleship blueprints and WHOLE pirate faction implant sets every couple days lving in Curse and Venal and Stain. i still have ships and jump clones in those regions just for that.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#11 - 2013-07-25 19:15:32 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
If your so inclined to try but, keep this in mind, every low sec pirate knows every inch of that low sec system so they know where to wait for you, they will look for you to undock, scan you down everytime, and you will become they new low sec game they will continuously hunt.

Not worth the headache in my opinion.

Your best bet is just do lvl 4 missions with good high lvl agent, train relevant skills (social skills) to increase lp payout and better offered missions.



It's worth trying for the experience IMO...

However, you are correct. Null sec dwellers are VERY VERY VERY bored and spend huge amounts of time looking for something to do. Once you start popping rats that can be seen on the star view and they WILL come.

Remember, don't use logic. YOU might think you are not worth the trouble...but these people are VERY VERY VERY VERY bored and will spend absolutely HUGE amounts of time and energy to bag you even if you flying a frigate doing lvl 1's.