EVE General Discussion

I can put words together from other people.

the 4th generation paradigm of attrition warfare harry and I are implementing will lead the resource to fall in the sink of thousands of highsec players who have been misconsidered for too long by the mittani at the alliance panel.

It just means now the goons need to use 2 tacklers, then he can't warp. It's not the end of the world. The fact that Harry has lost so many ships shows that using stabs to tank does not work that well.

How did I miss this thread until now?

What an ingenious way for Goonswarm to try to get non-Goons to deliver expensive modules for the Swarm to fit to their carriers!

Pretty good analogy.

Much like peeing on someone's garden to spite them, the person who owns the house invariably doesn't notice, whilst the perpetrator walks away thinking himself ~quite the man~ imagining how annoyed the person is going to be - a kind of self-generated schadenfreude that serves to fill the perp's need to rebel and little else.

FWIW Goons know the general tactics at play here very well - we've been disrupting TEST renters since the reset (and you can change TEST for any other entity we are/have been hostile to), much to their chagrin and wails on forums, and requests for discounted rent agreements because TEST can't stop a small organised gang from getting in and out and causing damage. Often, we have exceptionally new players take part in these SiGs (dedicated special interest groups to doing it) and they do it all without gimping their ships with warp core stabs. Indeed. they couldn't do it if they did, as they would be overly gimped - which (again) is my point. Fitting stabs to a PVP ship is, unfortunately, a mark of someone who doesn't know what they're doing and you encouraging him is the blind leading the blind, since you have no experience either.

We know how it works, because we literally invented this kind of warfare in EvE. Now you can read this as me saying we're better than you in every measurable way, and that is true, but the larger point is that to actually achieve a goal you need to risk something.
You telling me risking a T1 destroyer is too much means we pretty much never need to worry about this ever being anything more than a useful way of reducing cyno timers.

WRT "but when I die I need to reship!"
a) There's ways to avoid this - stage closer
b) If he wasn't in a gimped up fit he wouldn't be dying so often, making this actually counter-productive.
ROIR-Y is an NPC 0.0 station system 7 jumps from VFK. Set a jumpclone here, use the (pretty fair) local market to reship. He can go from dead->VFK in about 8minutes. It's really rather easy when you spend 3minutes thinking about it.

Just, for one second look at your situation - you have no experience in what you're ~~theorycrafting~~ about and are offering advice that runs contrary to what people who do know what they're doing are saying. Not just me, but literally everyone who will tell you stabs on a PVP ship are a bad idea. Two stabs are worse. 2/3 of your lowslots being stabs is just awful.
If a bunch of dumb goons start losing their faction fit ratting ships I'm going to have a good laugh at their expense (the VFK beacon is pretty quiet at the moment) but this will never happen if people like you continue to give him awful advice because you're completely clueless; he'll just keep killing cyno frigs and you'll all tell him what a big meanie he's being to us and no one will care.

I'm not going to stop mentioning "cyno ships" when you keep including them in your count by saying "shot down 50 ships" unless you start adding the caveat yourself ".. of which 49 were cyno alts". You can't have it both ways; if you're going to brag about them, I will point out how silly that is. For what it's worth in my first 2-4months of EvE I was using a Rupture to tackle and help kill battleships in a wardec, as well as flying around in a Thrasher and blapping people who had been playing the game 5 years longer than me, in a ship 20x my value, solo. I couldn't have done that if I was using WCS in my lows, though.
You're trying to play the 'new player' card and it's not going to work because your problem here has nothing to do with ISK, SP or experience - it's just a common sense break. You're shooting at intrinsically worthless ships and boasting about it. This is akin to you stealing someone's garbage and then telling them you're stealing from them. It's bizarre.

Oh and the destroyer you killed was actually a TEST newbie out trying to do the same thing you were - if you check his killboard you'll notice he uses a cheaper ship fit than you to help kill a variety of ships actually worth something to their owners.

You're poorly fitting your ship, which then loses fights it can win as a result, which you then run from, and you use the fact you were able to run away as evidence your fit is useful, when it's actually proof it's ill-equipped in the first place.
You're missing the point entirely.

the endless posts from self proclaimed pvp experts is unprecedented here, how could I have ever wished to bring so much pain to nullsec with just adding 2 stabs and shooting down cynoships

what will happen when i finally upgrad shooting frigs and other stuff? hmmm, actually I do this already... I need to apologize, it seems some struggle with the speed on how this all unfolds and they can not keep up with recent developments

to all newbs! please people all of you, add 2 stabs to your destroyer go to VFK mittanigrad station and snap away one or two cynos, trust me you will love it, camp local, logoff in space and come back the day after... we fleet up and shoot other stuff, its fun

the people here in the thread just don't get it because they do not have the balls to go hunting in enemy space alone

hey thanks :D did you see the kills of yesterday, mixed in a destroyer and a frig to keep everybody happy :D

and you lost 13 pods? thats barely an achievement mr seal

and you are one of those kids who stands in a group just laughing at one, to feel strong, but you are not... I feel sorry for people like you... you make fun of others just to find friends who are as weak as you are... the more you are the stronger you feel but still weak inside you have to punch down on the really smart ones, because you are scared to death by them, knowing they can do things you would never be able to...

I come into this topic regularly and it's a laugh everytime. Harry is doing a prime job sticking it to the Goons. I love how his objective-based mindset clashes with the outlook of competative PVP players and generates this whole discussion and drama about -of all things- bloody warp core stabilizers. In one word: hilarious!

You realise he's not "sticking it" to anyone. If he didn't kill the cyno pilot, they would probably send alts out to kill themselves to save on the timer. I can't wait for all of these noobs expecting action to turn up and suddenly realise that he spends hours on end just sitting outside the station waiting for people to undock. It's gonna be the least fun they've had in a while.