Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like the idea.
More ninja miners in null - means more fun ;)

What you ask kind of violates the point of tiericide and goes back to the old system of higher skill req ships being just plain better.

Perhaps there is room for more ships on the "mining frigate" skill, but they would need different roles.

My first gut is to do the same thing that was done with barges--- one for yield, one for tank, one for capacity. Arguments could be made for a lineup specialized for different materials too, Ore, Ice, Gas.

My second is the thought of an entire industial lineup in the ORE series, with frigates mirroring barges and exhumers, and the Ore Industrial skill gaining Small/Fast Big/Slow pair of industrials similar to the factional ones, and maybe a battlecruiser sized ship specialized in Foreman Links and miner defense (remote rep, maybe drone combat bonuses)

You are asking for bigger hulls on the same skill. That skill is, if I recall, Mining Frigate. You want these bigger, and presumably better, hulls to only be available at higher skill req. That used to be called tiers.

Your upgrade path for the frigate is indeed barges, exhumers, orca, Rorqual. Within the combat lines, Frigates fly significantly differently from the larger classes too.

I agree there is room, and on 2 different skills: Mining Frigate (expand to match roles on barge and exhumer lines), and larger hulls on the ORE industrial line for non-mining specific ORE ships, especially a Battlecruiser style foreman link ship, and possibly some specialty role haulers, though the racial lines cover this pretty well. I could see an argument for a destroyer sized industrial security ship, possibly specializing in disruptive Ewar rather than firepower to give the miners time to escape. I can also see an opening for a logi cruiser with bonuses to hull repair.

Mike, one would assume a new skill, like Mining Crusier for example would be added as a requirement. A tech 2 venture could also work.

If it goes bigger it needs to lose the warp strength bonus.

Cruiser and Battleship sized ORE ships are covered under ORE Industrial and Barges. No need for yet more skills for a single ship. There is plenty of room for expansion within the skills that already exist.

If I was going to add a skill to the ORE line, it would be ORE Security. A line of combat ships with industrial/mining utility, huge structure, and designed to rely on damage controls and hull repair as their tanking strategy. Less of an assault capable line, more defensive and delaying than anything else.

I assume you have never flown both a venture in the role it was designed for. They are completely different ships designed for different purposes. As some have mentioned, a tech 2 variant of Venture would be another option, that would not require another skill.

As to the idea about the structure ships, it seems like an interesting idea, but what would the point be other then the lol's of structure tanking? Also ORE making offensive ships seems outside of their scope as a faction.

I assume you have never flown a Frigate and then a Cruiser/Battlecruiser/Battleship before. Frigates of all types are vastly different from the heavier ships in their lineup, even when they have similar roles.

Yes, the venture is intended for mining in enemy territory, and has bonuses to help it with that. It's still at it's core an entry level miner, and that upgrade path leads through barges and then exhumers. The upgrade path to the "in enemy territory" part lies through taking someone else's territory and making it your own.

ORE is it's own space holding faction. There is no reason why it would not have combat ships of it's own to protect it's own interests. In context of the game, miners need protection. While the military ships of the 4 main empires fill these functions just fine, There is always room in a PvP game for more ways to shoot at people, and more things to get shot at in.

I don't see ORE producing front line combat ships, with it's focus on industry. Rather I see them fielding ships with industrial utility and built sturdy enough for combat use. As a unique niche I could see their Logi focusing on Structure rep, and their combat ships focusing on delaying, disrupting and outlasting attackers long enough for the Barges and Exhumers to make their escape. They are an industrial faction--- Their ships aren't meant to be relatively light and mobile assault craft intended for high performance in short bursts, but rather heavily overbuilt bricks that can weather the storm and hold a position. Also, yes... LOLs with structure tanking. Give some love to structure reps and bulkheads. I'd change the whole ORE line to this strategy of hull tanking.

Never gonna happen - trolls like easy targets too much

Pretty much the only way to kill a venture is multiple warp disruptors, bubbles or to blap it (which is how you usually kill a venture). If you have a cruiser sized hull, which will have more EHP, you wont be able to blap it, making it near-impossible to kill.