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Riverini. What does Gelvon Goblin actually contribute toward in regards to Eve?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-07-24 12:51:44 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.



I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....

Last time I looked, This above mentioned sites are privately owned and operated, which means that if all they ever wanted to do is post Chinese translations of Das Kapital and Mien Kampf, that's their business. Your choice is go there and read ...or don't, that's it.

What you posted reminds me soooo much of the people in the Ships and mods forum who complain about EFT and EVEMON...FREE TOOLs you get for free and don't even have to pay a dime for (lol), yet people think they are entitled to some kind of rights regarding them. That's BS, don't like free stuff, don't use it and tell your freinds to not use it.

I'm amazed that things that are so simple for most of us turn out to be so hard for certain others....
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#42 - 2013-07-24 12:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.



I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....

Last time I looked, This above mentioned sites are privately owned and operated, which means that if all they ever wanted to do is post Chinese translations of Das Kapital and Mien Kampf, that's their business. Your choice is go there and read ...or don't, that's it.

What you posted reminds me soooo much of the people in the Ships and mods forum who complain about EFT and EVEMON...FREE TOOLs you get for free and don't even have to pay a dime for (lol), yet people think they are entitled to some kind of rights regarding them. That's BS, don't like free stuff, don't use it and tell your freinds to not use it.

I'm amazed that things that are so simple for most of us turn out to be so hard for certain others....

Yes, I'm fully aware they are free and run off of ads, but they alienate their readers. I used to primarily read EN24 as I liked the blog cross posts. Now I go there maybe once a week to cherry pick the articles I care about and just go straight to the bloggers for the rest. I'm certainly not saying anyone is entitled to anything, but if they want to take their site seriously they need to read and respond to feedback, which they do not appear to be doing.

EDIT: And just to clarify, no one is asking for action. We are simply stating our opinions about the trash articles and EN24 can feel free to take on board or ignore the posts here as they see fit.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2013-07-24 13:00:36 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We all have, though, heard about his post on TEST forums saying it was pointless to show up if you couldn't bring a ship for fighting capitals.

lol? Really?
Did TEST listen? It would explain why we've breezed though Fountain since he joined TEST.

They're using Prophecies to fight our megathrons.

Does it look like they care about fighting caps? Does it look like they are actually fighting our caps? Hahaha

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#44 - 2013-07-24 13:27:01 UTC
Well their allies left them so they have to come up with their own strategies. Good for us.
And after they got their 300b isk injection or whatever it was.

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-24 13:28:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....


You haven't? God dammit, hang on let me get on to finance.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2013-07-24 14:05:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
blah blah incompetence Pirate)


There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!



Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2013-07-24 14:12:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.



I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....

Last time I looked, This above mentioned sites are privately owned and operated, which means that if all they ever wanted to do is post Chinese translations of Das Kapital and Mien Kampf, that's their business. Your choice is go there and read ...or don't, that's it.

What you posted reminds me soooo much of the people in the Ships and mods forum who complain about EFT and EVEMON...FREE TOOLs you get for free and don't even have to pay a dime for (lol), yet people think they are entitled to some kind of rights regarding them. That's BS, don't like free stuff, don't use it and tell your freinds to not use it.

I'm amazed that things that are so simple for most of us turn out to be so hard for certain others....

Yes, I'm fully aware they are free and run off of ads, but they alienate their readers. I used to primarily read EN24 as I liked the blog cross posts. Now I go there maybe once a week to cherry pick the articles I care about and just go straight to the bloggers for the rest. I'm certainly not saying anyone is entitled to anything, but if they want to take their site seriously they need to read and respond to feedback, which they do not appear to be doing.

EDIT: And just to clarify, no one is asking for action. We are simply stating our opinions about the trash articles and EN24 can feel free to take on board or ignore the posts here as they see fit.


Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker Twisted
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#48 - 2013-07-24 14:14:03 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker Twisted

I'm not entirely sure it's possible for TEST to be losing quicker than they are. Have you seen the fountain changes for the past 3 days?

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-07-24 14:22:43 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker Twisted

I'm not entirely sure it's possible for TEST to be losing quicker than they are. Have you seen the fountain changes for the past 3 days?


I have. And like I thought once PL got bored (or upset over that little AWOX) TEST's allies would pack up their toys and go home. Mittani also has always been the diplomatic wizard regardless which makes me smile.

GOONS have become the new BoB at this point. It really is quite ironic Cool
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#50 - 2013-07-24 14:34:35 UTC
Yeah, most of us have been saying all along that the batphoned alliances wouldn't play it out to the end. TEST had a window of time to set strategy and build a proper defense. Instead they chose to welp and lead there members to death. Now their members are showing up for less and less fights, and with the allies pulling out, there's no way they can hold the line.

Though honestly I think one of the biggest issues was the way they handled SRP. They said "Yes, we're broke, but look, we've paid the whole SRP queue". This was a bad idea.
Think of it from a members point of view. You've been waiting for up to a few months for your SRP payout with no movement. Then finally they pay you your SRP. But at the same time they announce financial defecit. Why the hell would you buy a new ship and send that out to die? You probably won't get the SRP back for that one for years.

An I know, not everyone thinks with their wallets and there's a lot of loyal members, but there will be a fair amount of people either not showing up or showing up cheap from this, which put further strain on the group. then as more members start to splinter off the individuals get more and more pressure on them. It's a bad way to be.

Personally I'd have built as many doctrine ships as possible and contracted them to people to show up in. This way you are providing advanced SRP, and as long as you monitor it for abuse, you can be putting their minds at ease in advance, in turn encouraging them to show.

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Ripard Teg
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#51 - 2013-07-24 14:35:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Wilhelm doesn't actually write for EN24, he just allows riverini to republish his content. That is also the case with Gevlon, Ripard Teg, Kirith, Mord Fiddle, Mabrick, Poetic and several others: they run their own blogs but riverini simply reposts it.

Andski's absolutely correct here. Riverini has an agreement with a half dozen bloggers that he may syndicate selected blog posts from our blogs in exchange for ISK. It's a Huffington Post sort of arrangement, which is a pretty nifty idea but unlike HuffPo the bloggers don't choose the syndicated posts, Riverini does.

For myself, I have no contact with Gevlon.

aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#52 - 2013-07-24 14:41:41 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
blah blah incompetence Pirate)


There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!



Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about.


i've read his articles. I found nothing to like, so i don't read them.

The train wreck thing is just an excuse for someone who wants to force someone else to stop talking. Sorry, while I think the guy is a tool (based on my brief examination of his writing), i also think I don't have to read it, so there is no problem worthy of a butt hurt sounding GD thread.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#53 - 2013-07-24 14:47:31 UTC
Ripard Teg wrote:
Andski wrote:
Wilhelm doesn't actually write for EN24, he just allows riverini to republish his content. That is also the case with Gevlon, Ripard Teg, Kirith, Mord Fiddle, Mabrick, Poetic and several others: they run their own blogs but riverini simply reposts it.

Andski's absolutely correct here. Riverini has an agreement with a half dozen bloggers that he may syndicate selected blog posts from our blogs in exchange for ISK. It's a Huffington Post sort of arrangement, which is a pretty nifty idea but unlike HuffPo the bloggers don't choose the syndicated posts, Riverini does.

For myself, I have no contact with Gevlon.

So Ripard, can you ask Riverini why he pays Gevlon to provide absolute nonsense?

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-07-24 14:53:52 UTC
goblin contributes pageviews to riverini, which is literally the only thing he cares about besides his seething hatred of goons
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2013-07-24 15:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Read
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
blah blah incompetence Pirate)


There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!



Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about.


i've read his articles. I found nothing to like, so i don't read them.

The train wreck thing is just an excuse for someone who wants to force someone else to stop talking. Sorry, while I think the guy is a tool (based on my brief examination of his writing), i also think I don't have to read it, so there is no problem worthy of a butt hurt sounding GD thread.


How exactly do I force Goblin to stop talking? He has his own blog and is an active member (allegedly) of TEST forums so please... stop trying to paint this as something it isn't. Myself as well as others are just curious besides page views what else does he contribute to EN24 or just Eve in general?

From your response and others I've read nothing at all.
forestwho
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-07-24 15:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: forestwho
you should try not to read eve24, kugu, coad, and all other demoralizing trolling politic crap site and your eve will become much more interesting and not so much depressing anymore...

EVE 0.0 is moar about players "state of mind" than who's blowing up which amounts of spazship pixes...
Ripard Teg
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#57 - 2013-07-24 15:07:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
So Ripard, can you ask Riverini why he pays Gevlon to provide absolute nonsense?

Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Riverini also. Blink

Seriously though, I have no idea how Riverini chooses the blogs he does and the posts he does. The cynic would say it's purely for hits or for controversy, and Gevlon certainly provides that! But it's just as easy to say that when Riverini started syndicating Gevlon, public voices from the south were few and far between and it was just a lack of options. But again, I have no idea. You should ask Riverini this.

aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#58 - 2013-07-24 15:08:12 UTC
Personally i think there are enough elitist players in EvE that moan on about how they want EvE to be, and how they think others should play the game, that a different perspective is welcome at times. EvE is compairable to WoW exactly because it's an MMO, and though the two are extremely different, its an important comparison to make to try to temp those players over to our side. I mean, seriously, why moan about another persons opinion when it doesn't completely match your own? Do you honestly expect everyone to play the game for exactly the same reasons as you? Oh yeah, i forgot, they must be playing the game wrong!

I'd argue that those who want to play EvE for all the reasons the elitists hate, such as living in a completely safe highsec, have just as much a right to their opinion as anyone else. Those that disagree with them can go and gank them to their hearts content. Such is the beauty of EvE. But ultimately it's simply an excuse to get a nice fresh supply of easy kills, rather than actually doing PvP in the areas of the galaxy where it's supposed to happen.

At the very least, i'd recommend you don't read blogs by people whom you don't agree with. Stick to your own opinionated box and you'll be much happier.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#59 - 2013-07-24 15:09:06 UTC
Ripard Teg wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So Ripard, can you ask Riverini why he pays Gevlon to provide absolute nonsense?

Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Riverini also. Blink

Seriously though, I have no idea how Riverini chooses the blogs he does and the posts he does. The cynic would say it's purely for hits or for controversy, and Gevlon certainly provides that! But it's just as easy to say that when Riverini started syndicating Gevlon, public voices from the south were few and far between and it was just a lack of options. But again, I have no idea. You should ask Riverini this.

No... If I did I'd have not asked you to ask him. I just figured you would have a way to contact him that he might actually respond to.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#60 - 2013-07-24 15:09:16 UTC
forestwho wrote:
you should try not to read eve24, kugu, coad, and all other demoralizing trolling politic crap site and your eve will become much more interesting and not so much depressing anymore...


Exactly, TMC is the only place to go for your EVE news.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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