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Retriever needs another mid
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Otamara
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-07-23 17:34:14 UTC
Right now there are no free mid slots for a retriever to fit any tank at all if you fit a survey scanner like all miners should to get the best yield per cycle. This means that the only tanke you can use is the rig slots and a DCU which is why i think the retriever should lose 1 low slot and gain a mid slot, this would mean you can either go for max yield or fit a small tank with a DCU in the low and maybe an extender or resist mod in the free mid slot.

So what do you guys think of taking away a low slot for a mid one?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-07-23 17:36:25 UTC
You can already go for max yield or fit a small tank.

Oh god.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-23 18:13:36 UTC
If you're flying a retriever you're not going to survive a suicide gank no matter how much tank you put in the mids.

If you want to mine safe start usnig procurers.

Art of Explosions
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-23 18:35:12 UTC
Otamara wrote:
Right now there are no free mid slots for a retriever to fit any tank at all if you fit a survey scanner like all miners should to get the best yield per cycle. This means that the only tanke you can use is the rig slots and a DCU which is why i think the retriever should lose 1 low slot and gain a mid slot, this would mean you can either go for max yield or fit a small tank with a DCU in the low and maybe an extender or resist mod in the free mid slot.

So what do you guys think of taking away a low slot for a mid one?


No because some people don't want the additional tank from an additionnal mid and prefer the potential yield from a low. If you want to feel safe, fly the "safe" ship.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-07-23 18:37:24 UTC
Otamara wrote:
Right now there are no free mid slots for a retriever to fit any tank at all if you fit a survey scanner like all miners should to get the best yield per cycle. This means that the only tanke you can use is the rig slots and a DCU which is why i think the retriever should lose 1 low slot and gain a mid slot, this would mean you can either go for max yield or fit a small tank with a DCU in the low and maybe an extender or resist mod in the free mid slot.

So what do you guys think of taking away a low slot for a mid one?


no, use a procurer, the retriever was meant to be the solo harvester, not the Hulk 2.0
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#6 - 2013-07-23 18:38:52 UTC
The Ret can be tanked reasonably well. Fit two shield rigs, an invul in the mid, and then a DCU low. Sure, you won't have max yield but it means that it will take more than two very cheap Catalysts to gank you.

If you fit for max yield on a Ret, then you are a very nice target. It means that you have fit some more expensive modules and I can gank you with two ships worth a total of only 4 Million isk. Not only will I have the satisfaction of providing an object lesson in ship fitting, I'll actually make a profit.

If you fit your Ret for tank, then a couple things happen. The value of your drops is reduced significantly, and the cost of the ships to kill you increases by 50%. Not only that, but I'm likely to pass you by simply because you have chosen to be smart and tank your barge.

CCP has given you great options. Train for a Mack and tank it and you will have a harder ship to kill and get better yield, or fly a procuror.

now.... what system did you say you were mining in...?

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-23 19:07:07 UTC
Not sure how long it takes for concord to show up in various security systems but 2 catalysts will take about 15seconds to melt a fully tanked retriever at perfect skills.

a fully tanked retriever is also worth 4+ said suicide catalysts.

Art of Explosions
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#8 - 2013-07-23 19:17:22 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Not sure how long it takes for concord to show up in various security systems but 2 catalysts will take about 15seconds to melt a fully tanked retriever at perfect skills.

a fully tanked retriever is also worth 4+ said suicide catalysts.


I have some very CHEAP meta Cats that do 500 dps. A T1 fit Ret with a skilled pilot will tank about 14k ehp against them. That means that it takes about 14 seconds to kill the Ret with my two Cats. I have 15-16 seconds of response time in a .7 system if I have prepositioned Concord. So, unless I screw up or get unlucky, the Ret is dead.

With cheap non-meta fit Cats, the dps drops to 420 so it would take three of them to kill the Ret in a .7 system.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-07-23 19:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
The Ret can be tanked reasonably well. Fit two shield rigs, an invul in the mid, and then a DCU low. Sure, you won't have max yield but it means that it will take more than two very cheap Catalysts to gank you.


You only get people killed by that way.

[Retriever, Retriever fit]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5

Or use T1 strip miners and make it even more annoying to gank. Procurer is still the way to go if you want to tank your mining ship.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-23 19:30:41 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
The Ret can be tanked reasonably well. Fit two shield rigs, an invul in the mid, and then a DCU low. Sure, you won't have max yield but it means that it will take more than two very cheap Catalysts to gank you.


You only get people killed by that way.

[Retriever, Retriever fit]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5

Or use T1 strip miners and make it even more annoying to gank. Procurer is still the way to go if you want to tank your mining ship.


If you tank that hard, you should fly another ship to mine...
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#11 - 2013-07-23 21:10:07 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
The Ret can be tanked reasonably well. Fit two shield rigs, an invul in the mid, and then a DCU low. Sure, you won't have max yield but it means that it will take more than two very cheap Catalysts to gank you.


You only get people killed by that way.

[Retriever, Retriever fit]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5

Or use T1 strip miners and make it even more annoying to gank. Procurer is still the way to go if you want to tank your mining ship.


If you tank that hard, you should fly another ship to mine...


Agreed, but Frostys did point out a significant error I made. I said two shield rigs, it should be three. Two damage specific and one extender. Personally, I don't think that T2 modules are worth it on a Ret but ymmv.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE