EVE General Discussion

You already get that. When you try to sell to it, the order fails, and you're free to move on to the next order.




Your items will never leave your possession through the market without you being paid for them (even if that's just .01 ISK because you made an oopsie).

You just openly admitted that you tried to get greedy and exploit someone for fast easy profit and it didn't pay off.

Instead, it backfired on you and put you out of pocket. These things happen, you dust yourself off and keep moving.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You just have to remember that somewhere out there in New Eden, there's always someone smarter, more persuasive, more manipulative, or sometimes just more outright lucky than you.

Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.

Welcome to EVE.

Sorry but this is double standards (to put it in a polite manner) by a long way....

You point out how one player got greedy and lost some isk, while at the same time you do not even touch on how the margin scammer abused the game mechanics...

It's ok for someone to be greedy and risk some isk, but for the people on the other end of the rope who are equally greedy it's "too bad", and they also receive some tutoring from CCP staff.

Pathetic.

There are people who cheat and scam with their main account and that's fine - it's part of what you describe as the "harsh" Eve world.

Others, on the other hand, involve alts, create and biomass tens of characters in order to succeed in margin trading scams, or ISK doubling or whatever.

This second case is really what I am not fine with. If one singe pilot chooses to scam or AWOX or w/e and live with it, it's an acceptable way of play style or RP lifestyle if you wish. But when one involves a lot different expandable pilots which then proceeds to biomass and start anew like nothing happened only to repeat the same procedure again and again, then excuse me but this is a clear abuse of the the game mechanics and the function of the Eve account.

In my opinion, CCP should intervene if and only if the system gets abused. In all other cases, CCP reps should remain neutral.

In this particular case CCP chose to side with the scammer, who displayed the same level of greed (perhaps even more, considering the amount of effort he put into it) with that of the "victim".

Come one Malcanis... 1+1=2

So where's the double standard? It's ok to be greedy and try to scam people for easy profits; it's not ok to whine about when you fail. It's the whining that is the issue, not the attempts to scam.

Just know that greed will sometimes make you miss the obvious and make your attempt blow up in your face. Be greedy and smart, not greedy and stupid.

My argument is that the "victim" in our case above did not involve more that one pilots in his/her attempt to make more isk.

The "scammer" did probably involve a handful of alts, and he/she may actually proceed to biomass his/her trading character after a short while to cover the tracks.

Judging by your attitude, I honestly don't believe you'll be able to see the thin line between "ordinary scam" and "multi-account mechanics abuse".

Well, it's a game and so it's built upon certain standards which allow people to do ingame what would reflect poorly on them if they did it in RL.

Of course, that's made on the assumption that everyone playing this game is as mentally sane as everybody else, which is a safe assumption when you're selling Pandas Online, but may not be so sensible when you're selling Antisocial Behavior Online...

Hey Tippia, thanks for the awesome skill guide which I've been following through with my main during the last few months.

On topic, my objection and reference to double standards is because CCP tends to downplay all scams (margin trading, isk doubling etc.) for the expense of the victim and never for the scammer.

You raised a crucial point with regards to whining: Scammers don't whine because (a) they know they are abusing the game mechanics in the first place, and (b) they can easily biomass their pilots and start a fresh, zero history trader/isk doubler.

That a imaginary double standard. In other words, it doesn't exist.

As long as a player is playing within the rules, there can be no "abuse", even if the people getting scammed don't understand the rules. It's similar to the IRL concept of "Ignorance being no excuse". A game is about challenge and figuring stuff out, and EVE is no different.



I've fallen for exactly one scam. I sold a Deadspace item on contracts (before such items were available on the market) and didn't realize a zero was missing till to late. I don't get mad at the scammer, I got mad at ME for being in to much of a hurry. Scammers gonna scam, I am the one tasked with looking out for myself.