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rockets: the most useless weapon in the game?
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-07-19 11:07:33 UTC
Then it looks like you have 2 options:

1. Leave your corp, why you would stay with people who have no interest in what you enjoy doing is beyond me.

2. Start making a plan on how to generate enough ISK to fund a second account and put pvp on the back burner for a while.

3. Buy plex with real money (most likely not an option since you wouldn't be making all these annoying posts if you could afford plex)

Art of Explosions
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2013-07-19 11:29:11 UTC
7/10

Op maybe you should look towards some of the nul bloc wars for your PvP. The fights are particularly focused on the number of bodies in the seats much more than individual skills. And following the massive fights the field is choked with debris modules and drones just waiting for the enterprizing young noctis pilot to clear up.

If this sounds like the life for you, ask around for test or cfc recruiters who would be happy to help you along with the application process.

And for a visual example the following is a link to the July 4th Z9PP-H fight. One of the largest fights in eve history.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPTW6bAEILI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYPTW6bAEILI
7'62 SKS
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-07-19 11:32:34 UTC
7/10 (gained a point since I last called it because of 50 more replies since then)

It's a troll.
Stop feeding it.
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-07-20 01:29:15 UTC
Posting in Paul Otichoda noob whine troll thread.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-07-20 14:09:42 UTC
7'62 SKS wrote:
7/10 (gained a point since I last called it because of 50 more replies since then)

It's a troll.
Stop feeding it.


your an idiot who doesnt know what a troll vs newb looks like


@ paul - most new players start with industrial activities. Then you make friends and join a corp. You get attached to the players, they helped you out, they answered questions and gave you tips. But if your going to get into PVP your going to need a corp that isnt small and industrial.

Theres nothing wrong with changing corps youll make new friends overtime. Big corps have industrial and pvp. Or a small pvp corp
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-07-20 23:11:56 UTC
He is a troll Ciyrine,

You are right about the corp though, I am still friends with the guys I first joined up with, still have an alt over there even though all our main characters are now elsewhere.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-07-23 02:30:11 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
7'62 SKS wrote:
7/10 (gained a point since I last called it because of 50 more replies since then)

It's a troll.
Stop feeding it.


your an idiot who doesnt know what a troll vs newb looks like


@ paul - most new players start with industrial activities. Then you make friends and join a corp. You get attached to the players, they helped you out, they answered questions and gave you tips. But if your going to get into PVP your going to need a corp that isnt small and industrial.

Theres nothing wrong with changing corps youll make new friends overtime. Big corps have industrial and pvp. Or a small pvp corp

And you're an idiot who has no clue about the whining this guy does yet systematically rejecting any and all advice given to him

His own words:
Quote:
And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-07-23 08:04:21 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
FuzzyButt wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Denuo Secus wrote:

- Rockets do less DPS on paper but are much more robust and reliable. If you want peak damage, use blasters. But if you want some flexibility against ewar, neuts, kiting...rockets are fine.


I've train for missiles only so turrets are out of the question.



Cross training =P

doesn't take long

if you don't enjoy missiles you should probably start training guns now =D


missiles are great for pve, great range so low damage to you which means you have get low repair costs.

Yet I'm having no fun at all in pvp because everyone just cheats and uses tech 2 weapons and ammo on what ever ship they are flying and kills you in 5 seconds because they *******s and don't want a fair fight and then pod you.

How can anyone enjoy this kind of pvp? you can't

the only way to have any fun in pvp is to be in the bigger better ship or have someone in a bigger better ship. and anyone who says they started killing battleships on day 1 you are a liar or an alt of a 100m sp player. Either way your being untrue.


Stop bitching about T2 weapons already. T2 rockets are very good weapons, and only take about a week to train to.

1. T2 Weapons have a 2% bonus over meta4 minimum.
2. Pick better fights.
3. If you die, warp your pod out. It warps instantly, therefore their is no excuse for losing a pod in lowsec.
4. I enjoy "this kind of pvp".
5. T2 weapons are not "cheating". You are just a biggot and refuse to accept the fact that you suck.
6. Bigger ships are not I-win buttons.

I will say it again. HTFU and can I have your stuff?

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Delilah Tsuruomo
everything disallowed
#69 - 2013-07-23 16:21:33 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
David Devant wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Things I done said about dem rockits
Go get better.


why is that what everyone says

"Get better noob" or "go join EVEuni"

nobody says anything else, they just say your an idiot and should go away. in someways this community is the worse I've been in.

I would try to get better but it takes me half and hour to find 1v1 frigate combat in FW space I die in 5 seconds and then have to spend another half and hour going back to a trade hub, fitting another ship, going out to another system, finding another fight, die in 5 seconds, do it again. The preperation takes up so much of my time that I never get a chance to do learn anything because I die in 10 seconds.


Thats funny, it takes me around 10 minutes to find a 1v1 and I normally win, with rockets and against rocket ships. Really you just do not know how to use them.

Rockets should be used at their max range at all times, there is literally no reason to be facemelting another frigate. Rockets also do the BEST DPS of all frigate weapons due to capless, no tracking and selectable damage type.

Ofc a 400dps Harpy is going to destroy your face if you brawl, however fight at 7-8km and he is forced to use null, lowerin his dps to your level.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-07-24 07:23:46 UTC
Delilah Tsuruomo wrote:

Thats funny, it takes me around 10 minutes to find a 1v1 and I normally win, with rockets and against rocket ships. Really you just do not know how to use them.
.


Really?

Because I spent an hour last night going around the Caldari-Gallente fw zones looking for a solo target that I could engage and I couldn't find one that wasn't a destroyer/tech 2 frigate or faction frigate or didn't have a friend with him or called in backup when I attacked or ran away before I could kite him.

Lost three ships to gate camps that I couldn't get out of so thats 20m isk or so gone.

Where do you look for PvP?
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#71 - 2013-07-24 08:23:22 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Delilah Tsuruomo wrote:

Thats funny, it takes me around 10 minutes to find a 1v1 and I normally win, with rockets and against rocket ships. Really you just do not know how to use them.
.


Really?

Because I spent an hour last night going around the Caldari-Gallente fw zones looking for a solo target that I could engage and I couldn't find one that wasn't a destroyer/tech 2 frigate or faction frigate or didn't have a friend with him or called in backup when I attacked or ran away before I could kite him.

Lost three ships to gate camps that I couldn't get out of so thats 20m isk or so gone.

Where do you look for PvP?


You quickly learn where those camps are. Generally gate campers don't move around much.

I generally find 4+ fights an hour when i roam. But i also quite often engage larger groups after splitting up or relying on being able to kill someone and getting out before getting blobbed. Finding fights is a skill in of itself. Some people may dscan three enemies and see a death trap while others may see it as a challenge.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-07-24 09:41:43 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Delilah Tsuruomo wrote:

Thats funny, it takes me around 10 minutes to find a 1v1 and I normally win, with rockets and against rocket ships. Really you just do not know how to use them.
.


Really?

Because I spent an hour last night going around the Caldari-Gallente fw zones looking for a solo target that I could engage and I couldn't find one that wasn't a destroyer/tech 2 frigate or faction frigate or didn't have a friend with him or called in backup when I attacked or ran away before I could kite him.

Lost three ships to gate camps that I couldn't get out of so thats 20m isk or so gone.

Where do you look for PvP?


You quickly learn where those camps are. Generally gate campers don't move around much.

I generally find 4+ fights an hour when i roam. But i also quite often engage larger groups after splitting up or relying on being able to kill someone and getting out before getting blobbed. Finding fights is a skill in of itself. Some people may dscan three enemies and see a death trap while others may see it as a challenge.


Alteast tell me that this is a good fitting: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18879024


Also I've been checking people on this forum up on Eve kill and most of you either don't have kills or have done the complete opposite of your own advice. So I guess a lot of you are alts for some reason. Apparently they don't want to reveal themselves.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-07-24 10:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
Hi paul,

The only thing i can suggest is patience. Honestly the train for t2 small gun/missile/rocket specialisation is not that long.

I understand that when you first start out the 4 days (or whatever it is) can seem like a long train but trust me its not and also it will be worth it.

if ur having trouble finding a 'fair' 1v1 fight I will fit up a t1 meta 4 fit frigate and come 1v1 u. We'll probably have to go out to null though if ur cool with that. I'll even buy your frigate for you.

Sry the community is giving you a hard time but honestly if you didnt post with such negativity perhaps you would receive a better response.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#74 - 2013-07-24 12:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Delilah Tsuruomo wrote:

Thats funny, it takes me around 10 minutes to find a 1v1 and I normally win, with rockets and against rocket ships. Really you just do not know how to use them.
.


Really?

Because I spent an hour last night going around the Caldari-Gallente fw zones looking for a solo target that I could engage and I couldn't find one that wasn't a destroyer/tech 2 frigate or faction frigate or didn't have a friend with him or called in backup when I attacked or ran away before I could kite him.

Lost three ships to gate camps that I couldn't get out of so thats 20m isk or so gone.

Where do you look for PvP?


You quickly learn where those camps are. Generally gate campers don't move around much.

I generally find 4+ fights an hour when i roam. But i also quite often engage larger groups after splitting up or relying on being able to kill someone and getting out before getting blobbed. Finding fights is a skill in of itself. Some people may dscan three enemies and see a death trap while others may see it as a challenge.


Alteast tell me that this is a good fitting: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18879024


Also I've been checking people on this forum up on Eve kill and most of you either don't have kills or have done the complete opposite of your own advice. So I guess a lot of you are alts for some reason. Apparently they don't want to reveal themselves.



Confirming that i'm an alt that never does pvp.

But yeh that fit is alright although small shield extenders are generally considered garbage. I'm to lazy to EFT it to see if it other things fit though.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-07-24 13:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Garviel Tarrant wrote:



Confirming that i'm an alt that never does pvp.

But yeh that fit is alright although small shield extenders are generally considered garbage. I'm to lazy to EFT it to see if it other things fit though.


I know I should have a medium but I'm short on CPU for a medium and are training up the skills to reduce the cost of the disruptor.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-07-24 14:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Garv has the right of it. That is not a bad Condor fit, it could be better, but you are new. If that is the line you want to pursue, something like this:

[Condor, Kitefag]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

...will do what you want. It's not how I fly them (any idiot can check my killboard), but everyone has their own personal twist on fittings to suit their style of play.

As a side note on the topic as was originally discussed; If you think 4/5 days for T2 weapons is bad now, wait until you want to train something really time intensive like racial Battleship V. You'll be longing for the days of 4/5 day training.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-24 18:04:08 UTC
OP

As a newer player myself I feel your pain. You probably feel like everyone is ganging up on you, both in game and on the forums. It seems hopeless to find a fight you can win or even come close to winning. Everyone is using tech 2 mods, implants, and off grid boosting to pop you in 0.1 seconds. When you ask for help people tell you that it's not about skill points and that you are just a crappy pilot, get better noob. The EvE community is hostile and unhelpful and downright MEAN.

However, as I am shamelessly chasing the goal of being the friendliest person in EvE, and having helped countless PvP noobs settle into RvB to start pewing since I joined, I can give you some advice. If you want to have any fun in EvE PvP you'll need help learning the basics. The learning curve is huge and it takes a lot of practice to get good. You can speed up your improvement immensely by obtaining good advice from people that have been in your place. The forums are a great place to get this advice, whether it is by asking your own questions or reading other posts and people are more than willing to give advice to noobs who are eager to learn.

But you have to ask nicely. No one wants to help you when you immediately blame the game. They get very defensive. You have to treat the forum peeps like your grandfather, and give them respect (whether or not they deserve it). They've been playing this game FOREVER and have seen the same complaints MANY times and come up with mantras like "skill points don't matter" to deal with them quickly. Of course this is an utter load of hooey and skill points DO matter or they wouldn't be in the game at all. But piloting skills are equally important. Training skills won't solve all your problems, just as perfect piloting skills aren't going to help you win a fight where your ship is completely outmatched. (You are all being unreasonable! P )

So the solution then is not for you to blame skill points and not for them to tell you "learn how to fly". This isn't constructive for anyone! What you really need is help learning specifics, for example your original question about rockets. Among the caustic replies was some very good information about when to use rockets and why they aren't terrible. Now the best part: the power is in your hands! You can easily start a thread and get great information by politely asking a simple question like:

"I can't seem to get the hang of rockets. It seems like their low DPS and lack of range leaves them without a niche. I would like to be able to use them since I have invested a lot of time training my missile skills. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing?"

No one will berate you for this. No one will gang up on you. It's the best way to use the forums. And it will make EvE 100000% more rewarding for you.

Remember friends: Do unto others....

I hope you will take this as friendly advice about the community mentality and with some luck you can use it to better your gaming experience and possibly even make some friends along the way Big smile

Good luck

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Titan's Lament
Maekchu
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-07-24 22:47:33 UTC
After having met you in the field, I have to say, your problem is mostly just a matter of learning how to fly your ship and making the right decision on what to engage.

You might have it a bit tougher doing solo stuff, but then you can always just join a PvP corporation and fleet up. In a fleet, it is really not critical whether you have only T1 stuff fitted or not.

My advice is to read some PvP material on the internet, maybe watch a few videos on youtube. And just go out there and lose some ships. Don't focus too much on the fact you lose the ships, but instead try to learn something from the engagements. 5,5M is not much for a frigate and easily earned back.

And yeah, rockets are great. Rocket Kestrels and Breachers are damn bouse! :P
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-07-25 16:45:57 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
After having met you in the field, I have to say, your problem is mostly just a matter of learning how to fly your ship and making the right decision on what to engage.

You might have it a bit tougher doing solo stuff, but then you can always just join a PvP corporation and fleet up. In a fleet, it is really not critical whether you have only T1 stuff fitted or not.

My advice is to read some PvP material on the internet, maybe watch a few videos on youtube. And just go out there and lose some ships. Don't focus too much on the fact you lose the ships, but instead try to learn something from the engagements. 5,5M is not much for a frigate and easily earned back.

And yeah, rockets are great. Rocket Kestrels and Breachers are damn bouse! :P





Confirming Rocket Kestrels are great, and wait till you see what the Vengeance and Hookbill can do.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#80 - 2013-07-26 14:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Paul Otichoda wrote:
7'62 SKS wrote:

As you cannot even fit the T2 variant, I suggest you hold off on your critique of rockets in general and through guilty association, all frigate class ships in the game.


And once more you're just confirming that anything that is not tech 2 is useless and inferior. What the point of even giving us tech 1 launchers if their so bad. the answer is its another time sink of training to do before you can be competitive.


+ The answer is that two T1 meta fitted Rifters are going to totally own a solo T2 fitted one.
+ The answer is that one T1 meta fitted Rifter is going to own a solo T2 fitted one that has lost 50% shields to rats.
+ The answer is that you are flying in such a way that you mitigate enough damage that tech level doesn't matter.

You motivate me to quit using T2 and get a bunch of meta-only kills JUST TO PROVE you are wrong. In unrelated news I smacked a Customs Office yesterday with my crew. Guess what I used as a cheap throwaway bash ship? Indeed... something meta-0 fitted and cheap as hell.

I can't help that you have a hard time making friends, which is your actual problem, and one that won't go away with the attitude you display. Make friends and have them get you into pvp situations where you have a chance of surviving. Take a stern look at your CEO and ask him to teach you. If he can't do so himself, get him to put you in contact with guys that know their pvp game. Or just make some contacts among pirates and fly with them.