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Help: Newbie need help for a good fitting for my Mackinaw for High-Sec mining
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joms marionn
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-22 09:45:44 UTC
Hi,

I'm relatively new to eve and I would just like to go mining and refine the ores. I would only like to do this on high-sec. I've been reading the forums too and so far, I understand that the best fitting to use is the one that would give me a good yield + tank and at the same time, would not cost a lot so that suicide gankers won't think that it would be profitable to gank me. (nor pad their kills) since my items are not worth getting killed over.

I've found 3 fitting suggestions from another thread. Please tell me which you prefer and why:

Note: I am mining solo and I am just starting to do career missions (on my 3rd career now). I have been able to do some training the previous month (had to AFK due to busy work but I trained so I can fly a mackinaw)

1) 1First fitting i'm considering: (By Gizznitt Malikite)

[Mackinaw, Standard]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hornet EC-300 x5
Mining Drone II x5[Mackinaw, Standard]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hornet EC-300 x5
Mining Drone II x5


2) Second fitting: By Bugsy VanHalen - Mid yield / Mid HP

Highs
2 x T2 strips with T2 crystals

Mids
F-S9 medium extender
invulnerability field II
EM ward field II
limited thermic dissipation field

Lows
DC II
reinforced bulkheads II
micro Auxiliary power II

rigs
medium field extender I
medium processor overclocking unit I

over 34k ehp resists 79%/81%/73%/78% without any over priced modules.


3) Third fitting by Bugsy VanHalen - Much Better yield, less HP

Highs
2 x T2 strips with T2 crystals

Mids
upgraded EM ward amp
limited adaptive invulnerability field
limited kinetic deflection field
limited thermic dissipation field

Lows
DC II
Aoede mining laser upgrade
mining laser upgrade II

rigs
medium field extender I
medium processor overclocking unit I

As per Bugsy: " I got a 5% CPU implant for this to work but it gives over 26K ehp with 68%/80%/85%/76% resists, very good against catysts and only sacrifices 1 MLU from max yield, fitting 2 Aoede mining laser upgrades drops the CPU required a bit while maintaining the 2 x 9% boost from 2 MLU's, but the MLU II is cheaper. This set up is very hard to gank for profit.

it will still take at least 3 catysts to kill it but will still be unprofitable for them, while getting near max yield.(only 1 MLU lost) "


So which would you choose among the fitting posted above or can you give me your own fitting for a good yield/HP which won't cost a lot so that gankers won't get interested in me.

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-22 09:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Well I doubt you priced fitting 3, or the 750 million ISK mining upgrade might have given you a pause.

To be honest, if you're worried about getting ganked, none of those.
If you're worried about a gank, maybe something like this:

[Procurer, Test]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Cheap, easy to replace if/when it goes boom, 70k EPH and not that much lower yield than the 1 MLU mack versions you posted above

Bear in mind a Mack is over 200 million ISK, just for the hull. That's hard for someone still doing the career agents to afford, and the 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose' definitely applies to barges.
joms marionn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-22 11:07:57 UTC
Oh, I have a friend that will give me money LOL. But I'm thinking for the long term. I will be mining a lot and some will be semi-AFK because I will be doing some work. I like mackinaw due to its cargohold.

I have no idea of the cost of the 3 fittings ive posted so maybe you can help me out there too if you can give a ballpark figure for each.

If fitting 3 is very expensive then I better drop it for either fitting 1 or 2.
Whitehound
#4 - 2013-07-22 11:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Do not over-tank the Mackinaw. If you feel the need for a strong tank then go straight for the Skiff and do not bother about how to get a good tank with it. There is no point gimping the yield for an extra 5k or 10k eHP when gankers come with multiple ships. Go for a high yield and use it to fill up the large hold quickly and otherwise keep the price low.

[Mackinaw, Ice]

Damage Control II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hammerhead II x5

The tank with 27k eHP is good enough to withstand one or two Catalysts (the favourite ship of gankers) before CONCORD arrives. The price for the fitting without ship is 16.7m ISKs (208m ISKs with ship).

[Mackinaw, Rocks]

Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Civilian Shield Booster
'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

The same principle here. The tank is 26k eHP and good enough to withstand one or two Catalysts. The mining drones mine a bit more than half of what a strip miner pulls in. The Civ. Shield Booster is just there to keep the shields maxed and to fill a mid-slot. The cost here is 19.2m ISKs (210m ISKs for all).

If you see more Catalysts in the belt or hear of ganker activity in the system then dock up and get in a Skiff. Do not first dilly-dally with tanking the Mackinaw. Rather enjoy the yield while you can.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Mardante Soliest
Realm of the Forgotten
#5 - 2013-07-22 11:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mardante Soliest
You could also use one of these tools to check out new fittings, or check out what others have made.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Fitting_Tool_Out_of_Game_Tools

There is no easy way.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-22 12:18:05 UTC
If someone wants to gank you in a mack you will die no matter how much tank you want to put on it.

Art of Explosions
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-22 12:25:20 UTC
joms marionn wrote:
But I'm thinking for the long term. I will be mining a lot and some will be semi-AFK because I will be doing some work. I like mackinaw due to its cargohold.


The Procurer's cargohold is about half the size Mack's, it's maybe a 1/10 the price and will survive ganks that a Mack couldn't dream of. Your choice.

Quote:
I have no idea of the cost of the 3 fittings ive posted so maybe you can help me out there too if you can give a ballpark figure for each.


Well, to do that I'd have to look up the price of every single item in the in-game market, add it all together and then post it, alternatively you could look up the items in the in-game market in your region and see if the price works for you
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-07-22 12:27:49 UTC
Mardante Soliest wrote:


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Fitting_Tool_(Out_of_Game_Tools)



Ok, that's the second time I've seen that same botched link. Is that you Craig? eh...maybe it's just my nullsec paranoia working overtime. Either way, here is the correct link

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Fitting_Tool_Out_of_Game_Tools

Also here is my personal choice for a fitting tool. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EveHQ

I should also mention Pyfa as well to cover all the bases since it's the only one of the three that works on Mac.
Mardante Soliest
Realm of the Forgotten
#9 - 2013-07-22 13:16:25 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Ok, that's the second time I've seen that same botched link. Is that you Craig?


Sorry about that, I just did a quick copy paste there, didn`t check on the link. Tnx for correcting me Blink
And no, it`s not Craig.

There is no easy way.
Wolf Crayven
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-22 18:53:24 UTC
Just stick with the Retriever, it outperforms the Mac if you put any sort of tank on your Mac.
Macs and Hulks are gank magnets, but if for some reason your Retriever gets ganked, no big loss.

For 0.9 or 1.0 sec mining I would use:

(Retriever)
High Slot:

Modulated Strip Miner II -- Mining Crystal II (Veldspear or Scordite)
Modulated Strip Miner II -- Mining Crystal II (Veldspear or Scordite)

Mid Slot:

Survey Scanner I or II

Low Slot:

Mining Laser Upgrade II (Use 'Mining Laser Upgrade I ' if your skills are to low)
Mining Laser Upgrade II (Use 'Mining Laser Upgrade I ' if your skills are to low)
Mining Laser Upgrade II (Use 'Mining Laser Upgrade I ' if your skills are to low)

Rigs:

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Drones:

Mining Drone II x5

Use cpu implants if you do not want to wait as long for your skills to get maxed.
Replace the mining drones and the rigs if your mining spots have rats.


This will give a yield of about 1900 on each strip miner, far more then any Mac with a tank.

Because of its price the Mac is just too big of a liability and not worth the investment. The Retriever can pay for it self in a couple of runs. As always, if things get suspicious, use your head :p

Wish you plenty of profitz,
Crayven
Ginger Barbarella
#11 - 2013-07-22 20:19:13 UTC
Cull from the above posts what you think will work for you. I can only suggest that if you pimp it, you WILL get popped.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
joms marionn
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-22 23:06:54 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I'm still thinking if I should go mack or just stay with a retriever for fear of getting ganked. Maybe i'll use retriever if i will go semi-afk and a mack if im 100% on screen.

Any other suggestions or answer to my questions?

Thanks
Hypercake Mix
#13 - 2013-07-23 01:31:07 UTC
Since you're new, start off with a Retriever and a T1 fit. Few people actually fall in love with mining, so it's better to try it out than possibly regret training Exhumers.
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#14 - 2013-07-23 18:59:22 UTC
To the OP....

Your fit will depend on your skills. The problem is often CPU.

When my alts mine, I use Macks that are tanked enough so that I wouldn't want to bother ganking them myself unless I'm trying to make a point. Here are some suggestions....

Look at the type of damage that you are likely going to be dealt and fit to that.

When trying to cram in modules, don't forget to look at resist amplifiers as well as the active modules.

Typically, stick with T1 and meta resists and wards rather than T2, they are easier to fit.

Go with a tank that you can run permanently. The reality is that mining is mind numbing and if you are counting on a shield booster, you may not be able to get it running in time before you are dead.

Good luck and if you don't take the advice above, hope that I don't see you in the belts. :-)

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE