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Improve the Collector's Edition by providing a new experience for veterans
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Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#1 - 2013-07-22 09:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mors Magne
A problem with the Collector's Edition is that the Gnosis Battlecruiser, Nefantar Thrasher, and Tash-Murkon Magnate are old experiences.

I don't know about you, but I've flown a Thrasher before, and I've flown a Gnosis before, and I've flown much sexier frigates than that hacking Amarrian one. Straight

This makes the Collector's Edition rather expensive at 150 Euros. Shocked

So how about having a less powerful Macharial that can scanQuestion

This should provide a new experience for people who have played the game for a long time (without it being an "I win button")Idea...

The use of this ship is entirely up to the veteran pilot. Who knows where and how it will be used? (However, bear in mind that this is an obsolete ship.)Smile

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Uriel (translation of this angel's name: "God is my light" or "leads us to destiny")

It is believed this ancient version of the Machariel battleship was used by the Angel Cartel to discover Jovian artifacts which lead to the development of the Machariel as we know it today.

This behmoth is designed for exploratory raids into uncharted territory.

Special Ability: 37.5% increase to scan strength of probes (rather than a 25% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire)

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage per level
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level
Field Artillery
Dust 515
#2 - 2013-07-22 09:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Field Artillery
but why would you propose another newbie ship if you don't want them?

(+ lol i'm sure it will fit into those plexes the 'veterans in high sec' would use this for xDD)
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#3 - 2013-07-22 09:55:42 UTC
Field Artillery wrote:
but why would you propose another newbie ship if you don't want them?

(+ lol i'm sure it will fit into those plexes the 'veterans in high sec' would use this for xDD)



It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?
Marcus Harikari
#4 - 2013-07-22 09:58:27 UTC
nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate?
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#5 - 2013-07-22 10:01:56 UTC
Marcus Harikari wrote:
nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate?



... because they don't have a scan bonus?
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#6 - 2013-07-22 10:08:05 UTC
Ill happily take anything if I can sell it on the market for the sweet pennies.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-22 10:11:24 UTC
I support this request for more free **** for me to sell.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Field Artillery
Dust 515
#8 - 2013-07-22 10:12:29 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
[quote=Field Artillery]It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?

addressing the bigger problems with the CE, e.g that it could be more about EVE
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#9 - 2013-07-22 10:16:25 UTC
Field Artillery wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
[quote=Field Artillery]It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?

addressing the bigger problems with the CE, e.g that it could be more about EVE


This battleship is about Eve.

What more about Eve would you like QuestionSmile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-07-22 10:16:42 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
Marcus Harikari wrote:
nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate?

... because they don't have a scan bonus?

Because they're somewhere between “useless” and “completely wrong” ship class for the purpose. It would be particularly pointless in highsec. The Gnosis fills this need and is already a bit too big.

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It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?
How about: leave it as it is.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-22 10:20:09 UTC
yeah exploration sites are done in cruisers and battlecruisers after scanning the sites in a covops. cruisers move faster, are less likely to be caught by players, and are actually more survivable/tanky in lowsec pve than battleships.

also having a unique bs in the collector's edition is a little too close to pay-to-win for me
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#12 - 2013-07-22 10:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mors Magne
Benny Ohu wrote:
yeah exploration sites are done in cruisers and battlecruisers after scanning the sites in a covops. cruisers move faster, are less likely to be caught by players, and are actually more survivable/tanky in lowsec pve than battleships.

also having a unique bs in the collector's edition is a little too close to pay-to-win for me



No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-winAttention For the following reason:

Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts. It would be too unique to lose and it isn't the best for these situations. As you said - it has no covert ops cloak. Obviously, it also doesn't have the best combat bonuses.

It's a curiosity ship for veterans - it would provide an entertaining experience (the most maneuverable battleship with a scanning facility).

It would bring in a modest income with a feeling of power - nothing feels like power quite like a Machariel - but it's a high-sec / carebear beast - I don't think many would risk it even in a protected 0.0.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2013-07-22 10:48:13 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-winAttention For the following reason:

Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts.
…so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.

Yeah, no. That's pretty P2W. Just get a pirate BS or a marauder like everyone else.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#14 - 2013-07-22 10:54:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-winAttention For the following reason:

Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts.
…so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.

Yeah, no. That's pretty P2W. Just get a pirate BS or a marauder like everyone else.



Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration.

The best ship for exploration might be one of the strategic cruisers. However, there is something special about the Machariel because it's the fastest battleship - it's the way it handles that makes it special.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#15 - 2013-07-22 10:59:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.

A mission ship with unique capabilities which are only available to people who pay real cash.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2013-07-22 11:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mors Magne wrote:
Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration.
No, it would be horrible for highsec exploration, and be useless to veterans (since they will have access to far better ships).

In highsec, you need a scanning ship for Relic and Data sites — where a battleship is only large, slow, and cumbersome and serves no purpose because what you really need is an access bonus and the ability to go between cans quickly (i.e. you want a frigate) — and for rated complexes — where a battleship is not allowed to enter the site.

Strategic cruisers are pretty useless with the last patch for the same reason: too slow and bulky compared to a frigate for relic/data sites; barred from entry to rated DED sites (not to mention complete overkill since you can find and complete them just fine in a good old T1 ship).

So that means its exploration bonus on your proposed battleship is utterly and completely useless. The Gnosis already serves your need since it's actually allowed into the sites. What's left is a dolled-up mission ship you have to pay cash for. So again, I think I'll go with “leave it as it is” as the better alternative.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#17 - 2013-07-22 11:02:23 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Tippia wrote:
so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.

A mission ship with unique capabilities which are only available to people who pay real cash.



Some people will probably sell it for ISK.

There should be something unique about the Collector's Edition because it costs 150 Euros.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2013-07-22 11:04:41 UTC
Mors Magne wrote:
There should be something unique about the Collector's Edition because it costs 150 Euros.
Well, there's Hættuspil, the soundtrack, the USB hub, the art book, the BPCs, and the future unlocks…
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#19 - 2013-07-22 11:06:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mors Magne wrote:
Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration.
No, it would be horrible for highsec exploration, and be useless to veterans (since they will have access to far better ships).

In highsec, you need a scanning ship for Relic and Data sites — where a battleship is only large, slow, and cumbersome and serves no purpose because what you really need is an access bonus and the ability to go between cans quickly (i.e. you want a frigate) — and for rated complexes — where a battleship is not allowed to enter the site.

Strategic cruisers are pretty useless with the last patch for the same reason: too slow and bulky compared to a frigate for relic/data sites; barred from entry to rated DED sites (not to mention complete overkill since you can find and complete them just fine in a good old T1 ship).

So that means its exploration bonus on your proposed battleship is utterly and completely useless. The Gnosis already serves your need since it's actually allowed into the sites. What's left is a dolled-up mission ship you have to pay cash for. So again, I think I'll go with “leave it as it is” as the better alternative.



When I did exploration a few years ago, I think some exploration sites in high-sec were for battleships.

It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-07-22 11:07:13 UTC
Exploration battleship

dude

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