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Whitehound

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#21 - 2013-07-19 11:19:11 UTC

Tsukino Stareine wrote:

And you're overestimating how much hp warriors have even with the algos bonus. With perfect skills they have a combined shield and armour hp of about 360 and 320ish structure (no resistance). Not many people have trained drone durability to 5 so it's likely the numbers are lower.

It takes about 2-4 volleys from autocannons or rockets to take out a webbed warrior II and considering the cycle times of small guns: that's not a lot of time for your drones to be doing any damage.

It is actually 4.3k eHP combined for 5 Warrior IIs. You then need to web each before you can hit them and so you cannot keep the web on the Algos. A web then does not instantly stop the drones' speed, but slows them down and you lose time. The Algos can then launch more drones, but your problem is that unless you have an MWD fitted and can keep it running for long enough will the Algos catch up to you while you are busy with its drone and finish off your ship with neuts.

Or if it is railgun fitted with 75mm rails like Domanique's Algos will you get an additional ~70 DPS dealt. Not sure if +70 DPS will do the trick, but it depends on how much eHP your ship has.

I think your real problem is with destroyers in general. Perhaps get a Nyx instead.

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Tsukino Stareine

Garoun Investment Bank

Gallente Federation

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#22 - 2013-07-19 12:01:54 UTC

And every warrior that goes down means less damage you need to deal with.

Whitehound I think your problem is you compartmentalise everything into very small sections and you never see the big picture.

Sure it might take a hookbill a minute to finish off all 12 of your warriors but in that minute it only tanks 5 warriors for very small periods of time and that's pretty easy to do with a medium asb. You also overestimate how long it takes for a web to slow a warrior down, it's between 2-3 seconds to reduce it's velocity fully because drones have such little mass.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this but neuts do not do damage so you cannot "finish off" anything with neuts. You are purely reliant on drone damage to reduce the opponents hp to 0.

If the algos is rail fitted it's even easier to deal with because you can just get under it's guns and have no neuting to worry about.

I think your problem is that you're very clueless.

Art of Explosions

Adiaforos Anousios

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#23 - 2013-07-21 13:01:44 UTC

Whitehound wrote:

Drones with neuts are a classic, so I just leave this here:

226 DPS max, 10k eHP, -36 GJ/s neuts (216 GJ every 6secs). Flies 1673 m/s, cap stable with neuts turned off.

[Algos, PvP Neuter]

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x2
Warrior II x3
Warrior II x2
Hobgoblin II x3

Could you link me someone using that build ? My main goal is to approach someone or keeping him at range? since i got not warp disruptor someone could just warp out

Whitehound

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#24 - 2013-07-21 14:05:25 UTC

Adiaforos Anousios wrote:

Could you link me someone using that build ? My main goal is to approach someone or keeping him at range? since i got not warp disruptor someone could just warp out

You do not really make plans in PvP. "All plans fall apart on contact with the enemy", is an old saying. You can fit a ship with a single strategy in mind, but it becomes a one-trick pony and one-trick ponies are not much fun. With one-trick ponies do you either find a target that falls for the trick or you try to run or will die. Some players absolutely love such ships, but I find it to be the most stupid fun one can have in PvP.

Your first goal is to stay away from your target and harass it with your drones. Your target will have to respond to this in some way. You do not want to get tackled but want to avoid an early brawl. What you do next depends on the response. If the target is faster than you and flies away will a disruptor not help and you will have to let it go. If it is faster and flies towards you do you turn on your target and run into it and try to neut it, possibly scram it (when you cannot escape is attack your only option). If your target is slower than you, ignores your drones and tries to chase after you do you only kite it. If your target is slower and starts attacking your drones do you turn on it and try to neut it.

The idea is to force your target into making a decision and to either attack your ship or your drones and until then to kite it. Whatever decision gets made do you change your own behaviour and to invalidate your opponent's decision. Some say that you "dance" or "tango" with your target. I simply call it "fighting", because this is what it is...

If you prefer a disruptor then you can just fit one over the scrambler. This lets you hold point on more targets, but also makes you more vulnerable in situations where you need to get away yourself as well as needs more cap.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Liam Inkuras

Furnace

Thermodynamics

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#25 - 2013-07-21 14:23:25 UTC

I love how all threads in this forum become arguments between Hound, Garviel, and Tsukino Lol

OP here's my solo Algos fit for FW complexes.

Algos: Half a Vexor

Highs:
75mm Gatling Railgun II (x5)
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Mids:
1mn Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Lows:
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Rigs:
Small Trimark Armour Pump I (x3)

Drones:
Warrior II (x5)
Hobgoblin II (x7)
Drones can be swapped around a bit, that is just what I carry.

This fit get a little bit over 10k EHP and does ~ 250 DPS. Most frigates can't break your tank before they bite the dust, and untanked Dessies will go down quickly as well.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone


Whitehound Likes received: 2,906	#26 - 2013-07-21 14:37:34 UTC Tsukino Stareine wrote: ... Whitehound I think your problem is ... I'm not sure if ... I think your problem is ... Tell me more about being clueless. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

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