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IGPX(Immortal Grand Prix)Space Race

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Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-17 13:30:35 UTC
What?Hello and thank you everyone ahead of time for reading this and for any advice or opinions on this idea.


Ever since I watched the animated show IGPX and started playing EVE I've always had an idea about starting some kind of Space Race in EVE. I've actually started drawing up plans for it recently and I'm pretty excited about the idea and was wondering what you guys, the actually players and many others think of the idea. It isn't something I'd expect CCP to incorporate in the game itself unless the players started asking for it in droves, but rather as something player run.

Now I know everyone is thinking "Oh God, but everyone knows how to build the fastest ship or look up how to so whats the point?" Sure the Claw or the Dramiel can go stupid fast when built right and a MWD is used or other specific ships can warp insanely fast, but don't let that kill the idea. A buddy of mine actually got a ship to warp 20 AU a second I believe was the number, not quite sure. Anyway there are a series of ways we could nullify these issues. I'll explain a little here and some later since I have a limited amount of characters.

Some of you are probably not thrilled either because EVE is basically point and click. Sure it is, but I bet you'd be pointing and clicking like a maniac with other people competeing with you! This is also just an idea and the rough draft for it at that.

1. Certain ship types and items will be banned.
What does this mean? Ships like the Claw won't be allowed to participate due to their insane speed with and without MWDs. To avert angry people about this we'll have speed classes. Any ships of a certain speed will be in a certain class. You may go up a class, but never down. Certain items would also be banned like the use of rigs or subsystems for speed. Leaving only things like Nanofibers and Overdrives. Items to enhance warp speed would also be partially banned. Lastly no items over tech one as some players to this day can only use tech one items.

2. Ships must fly to points.
What does this mean? All ships must fly to a certain point in space before warping to the next location and flying to another point or even multiple points as far as a hundred Km or possibly farther. We'd have someone waiting at each point a paid player I suppose from a large, trustable corporation. No volunteers. They'd also have a full list of the players participating in case one never shows to that point.

3. Timed travel.
What does this mean? Each ship would start at a differient time and which ever ship made it to the final point with the best time would be granted the winning prize. This particular race would include movement just with in a single solar system warping and moving to various random points which would be provided ahead of time and be monitored by a single paid player. Salary paid of course and in ISK.

4. Where will this race take place?
A High Sec system of course to avoid our racers from getting blasted to bits. It could also be a bit more risky and we could find a null sec system owned by a large corp, rent it and let players blast each other, but I don't see that being to amazing.

5. Winning?
1st place would be granted a max of 150million isk
2nd place would get a max of 70million isk
3rd place would get a max of 50million isk
4the place would get a max of 30million isk
5th place would get a max of 15million isk

Of course this is just a rough idea, let me know what you guys think, this is all I have so far and no I didn't hit my character limit like I thought so I may edit it later. Again thanks for any input!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-17 16:07:25 UTC
If you want something like this, then you need to host it there is nothing stoping you from doing it.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

David Kir
Hotbirds
#3 - 2013-07-17 16:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: David Kir
Faux Leon wrote:
What?Hello and thank you everyone ahead of time for reading this and for any advice or opinions on this idea.


Ever since I watched the animated show IGPX and started playing EVE I've always had an idea about starting some kind of Space Race in EVE. I've actually started drawing up plans for it recently and I'm pretty excited about the idea and was wondering what you guys, the actually players and many others think of the idea. It isn't something I'd expect CCP to incorporate in the game itself unless the players started asking for it in droves, but rather as something player run.

Now I know everyone is thinking "Oh God, but everyone knows how to build the fastest ship or look up how to so whats the point?" Sure the Claw or the Dramiel can go stupid fast when built right and a MWD is used or other specific ships can warp insanely fast, but don't let that kill the idea. A buddy of mine actually got a ship to warp 20 AU a second I believe was the number, not quite sure. Anyway there are a series of ways we could nullify these issues. I'll explain a little here and some later since I have a limited amount of characters.

Some of you are probably not thrilled either because EVE is basically point and click. Sure it is, but I bet you'd be pointing and clicking like a maniac with other people competeing with you! This is also just an idea and the rough draft for it at that.

1. Certain ship types and items will be banned.
What does this mean? Ships like the Claw won't be allowed to participate due to their insane speed with and without MWDs. To avert angry people about this we'll have speed classes. Any ships of a certain speed will be in a certain class. You may go up a class, but never down. Certain items would also be banned like the use of rigs or subsystems for speed. Leaving only things like Nanofibers and Overdrives. Items to enhance warp speed would also be partially banned. Lastly no items over tech one as some players to this day can only use tech one items.

2. Ships must fly to points.
What does this mean? All ships must fly to a certain point in space before warping to the next location and flying to another point or even multiple points as far as a hundred Km or possibly farther. We'd have someone waiting at each point a paid player I suppose from a large, trustable corporation. No volunteers. They'd also have a full list of the players participating in case one never shows to that point.

3. Timed travel.
What does this mean? Each ship would start at a differient time and which ever ship made it to the final point with the best time would be granted the winning prize. This particular race would include movement just with in a single solar system warping and moving to various random points which would be provided ahead of time and be monitored by a single paid player. Salary paid of course and in ISK.

4. Where will this race take place?
A High Sec system of course to avoid our racers from getting blasted to bits. It could also be a bit more risky and we could find a null sec system owned by a large corp, rent it and let players blast each other, but I don't see that being to amazing.

5. Winning?
1st place would be granted a max of 150million isk
2nd place would get a max of 70million isk
3rd place would get a max of 50million isk
4the place would get a max of 30million isk
5th place would get a max of 15million isk

Of course this is just a rough idea, let me know what you guys think, this is all I have so far and no I didn't hit my character limit like I thought so I may edit it later. Again thanks for any input!


This is what you call emergent gameplay.
CCP will not organize anything of this sort, unless proven to be a widely requested feature.
That said, I'm in for it.
As long as we get a sufficient number of people willing to do this, I would participate.

No, seriously, add me to your contacts, this needs to be done.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-07-18 02:38:49 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If you want something like this, then you need to host it there is nothing stoping you from doing it.





As a matter of fact I had planned on hosting out of my own pocket until it grew enough to possibly be corp run. The idea excited me, but there remains the issue of how many players would be allowed to join at once and race at once. A few kinks, nothing we couldn't work past however.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-18 08:25:15 UTC
Faux Leon wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If you want something like this, then you need to host it there is nothing stoping you from doing it.





As a matter of fact I had planned on hosting out of my own pocket until it grew enough to possibly be corp run. The idea excited me, but there remains the issue of how many players would be allowed to join at once and race at once. A few kinks, nothing we couldn't work past however.

Have entry fees, something cheap but enough to cover the prize pool.
a "integrity" team with ship scanners to weed out the illegal ship modules and disqualify them from the start of the race.
There are plenty of systems with gates within 200km of each other to give a targeted goal.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-18 08:32:26 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Faux Leon wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If you want something like this, then you need to host it there is nothing stoping you from doing it.





As a matter of fact I had planned on hosting out of my own pocket until it grew enough to possibly be corp run. The idea excited me, but there remains the issue of how many players would be allowed to join at once and race at once. A few kinks, nothing we couldn't work past however.

Have entry fees, something cheap but enough to cover the prize pool.
a "integrity" team with ship scanners to weed out the illegal ship modules and disqualify them from the start of the race.
There are plenty of systems with gates within 200km of each other to give a targeted goal.



Ah, I hadn't exactly thought of that with the scanners and the integrity team. I remember my buddy saying something about getting scanned before a gank in High Sec, but that was about it. As far as an entry fee I wasn't sure how to go about that completely. I'm actually working on a list of the ships and their speeds now to determine speed classes. Thank you so much for the advice!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

David Kir
Hotbirds
#7 - 2013-07-18 09:51:17 UTC
Some races could also take place inside asteroid belts.
Two observers, one above the belt and one on the side of it, controlling that everyone stays within it.
Point and click at its finest.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-18 10:10:06 UTC
Here is a big question OP, it actually trumps all other things right now, are you wanting to be a contestant or host the event?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-07-18 11:40:00 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Here is a big question OP, it actually trumps all other things right now, are you wanting to be a contestant or host the event?



Host and host only. My dream is to host it for the players, not take part. Perhaps as another character so no one realizes its me and I abide by the smae rules as the others. Not likely though. I just want to host the event itself. Also David I like the idea of a smaller race. Perhaps set up empty canisters for them to follow as reference points to the course.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-18 13:28:42 UTC
Faux Leon wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Here is a big question OP, it actually trumps all other things right now, are you wanting to be a contestant or host the event?



Host and host only. My dream is to host it for the players, not take part. Perhaps as another character so no one realizes its me and I abide by the smae rules as the others. Not likely though. I just want to host the event itself. Also David I like the idea of a smaller race. Perhaps set up empty canisters for them to follow as reference points to the course.

I see, well I would recommend setting up a IGPX Management Corp, and use that for entry fees and prize wallet only.
I would also set up a second corp IGPX Bookies for all the gambling that could be placed on these races.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-18 16:04:42 UTC
Alright so making my own Corp might be in order then. Before I decide to jump too far in though I'd like to test it out and see exactly how successful this might turn out to be after all. Any ideas for that or for a starting race? I don't know of any systems easily accessed by all four empires. Not to mention IDK how to world call and let a mass group know about the event. I guess I've some traveling ahead of me to places like Jita?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-18 17:15:56 UTC
Faux Leon wrote:
Alright so making my own Corp might be in order then. Before I decide to jump too far in though I'd like to test it out and see exactly how successful this might turn out to be after all. Any ideas for that or for a starting race? I don't know of any systems easily accessed by all four empires. Not to mention IDK how to world call and let a mass group know about the event. I guess I've some traveling ahead of me to places like Jita?

You will get yelled at and trolled a bit but start your announcement in general discussion t will last for quite a while before it is moved to in game events.

State your entry fees and what the % of total purse is for 1-4 place.
Find a system that either has close gates or set up a can string between 125~140 km apart labeled as checkpoint 1 checkpoint 2 and so forth.
Set the time what the rules are and system.
An place some cans near the trade hubs with basic details also.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Blastil
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#13 - 2013-07-18 17:37:23 UTC
you can equalize the field in a couple of ways:

1) require manual piloting, for example, a relay where you require players to race to and then back from a can, this actually takes a lot more planning than you might think.

2) create a more difficult terrain, for example, make a 'gatecamp run' event, where you attempt to run a gambit of pre-built gatecamps.

3) create challenges which have to be overcome, in this way making pilots consider things other than just pure blinding speed in their fits.

4) vary the types of 'race' involved in the races. For example, mix up warping, speed, and combat, thus requiring pilots to consider their fits based on trying to overcome certain challenges.

5) Drug smuggling run: see who can get a slave from rens to amarr without getting it confiscated in an industrial.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#14 - 2013-07-18 18:29:55 UTC
Another idea is to host "gatecamp busting" races.
Pick a starting location, and a finish line at a safe in a lowsec or null system.
Choose a ship class, and led dem 'ceptors run for it.


PS: This could actually turn into an awesome low volume/high value delivery service.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-07-18 20:36:43 UTC
Loving the ideas guys, think I'll go with it too. My brains overloading right now haha! Would like to keep talking about it if you guys have any other input its been great so far.

I've got a bit of planning ahead of me, a weeks worth at least I'm thinking. That and I'll need to get the corp up and running as well. If any of you decide to take part it'll be free entry. Names taken and put in a safe place just in case. Thanks again guys Big smile

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2013-07-19 20:52:01 UTC
I saw this thread and instantly though of Tenchi Muyo: GXP. Then looked again and was disappointed.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Ash Katara
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-20 21:34:59 UTC
Space racing is not a new thing to EVE. The problem with it currently is the whole warp to 0km thing. Before that there was 12km of space to cover every jump, which provided room for external interaction, PvP and other interesting things. Also route selection, do I take the safer or shorter route.

Given the current mechanics the best option would be to set this up out in Nulsec, and place bubbles on the gates along the route to provide the space for non-warp racing and danger.