Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, but if you know he is upstairs and you are downstairs you have a distinct advantage if you don't know where he is. It may not make you immune, but if the probing allows people to be more judicious in deploying say, defensive bubbles....

i never said cloaked ships declaok each other, but remember it takes on person who forgets to cloak up before gathering with his mates and he screws everyone else. It happens.

You won't need to see the enemy to know that they are in covert ops ships. knowing that bombers are in system should not change how prepared your fleet is. if you brought anti-bomber support, then they are most likely always set up for that task. Bubbling your own fleet simply because bombers are close is not a wise choice in most situations, many FC's just have the fleet aligned out if they know they're being hunted. In situations where the only threat is a bomber gang, then you are definitely more prepared for it as you said, anti-support, turn off MWDs, etc. however if your fleet also has other concerns, the you have to decide between being on constant anti bomber status, or working to complete the fleets objective. and this is all assuming that every gang bombers come up against have a dedicated prober. I know that most large fleets do since it becomes an invaluable tool, but at that point the probers are working to find the enemies forces, not a smaller gang of bombers. it's simple strategy: i waste time and effort hunting bombers down while the enemy fleet is left to do as it pleases, or i can focus on the main objective of eliminating the larger threat and completing my objective. So in situations where fleets will have anti-bomber support, their attention is not fully focused on your gang. In situations where the enemy is actively seeking you out it will be more difficult. At that point it becomes a real clash of tactics, will, and fleet discipline.

Unless the FC is willing to dedicate a decent portion of his force to catch you napping somewhere, which is risky business in terms of fleet warfare (not to mention extremely difficult management-wise), then so long as you keep a good eye on them you should have enough warning, even if its only a few seconds, to gtfo. Again, emphasizing the guerrilla tactics here.

IMO if you are in a frigate (forget cloakys for a second) and an enemy fleet can warp on you and catch you, then that sucks. you are flying the most agile ships in the game and you cant evade a force much larger than yours then it's not poor game mechanics, it's lack of skill. even if another frigate catches you, as the smaller force your strategy is to run until you have an advantage, so sitting still hoping your safe is the best safe is bad tactics.

When it comes to a bombing run, it does not matter how many logis have locked each other up. if the damage is enough the bombs will kill their targets. And burning out your modules simply because you THINK your about to get bombed is a little over-paranoid and will cost you when another threat arises.

So yes, some of your tactics are possible, but they have major drawbacks that the FC and pilots have to consider or else it could end up with the pod express home that night.

Ah yes, I skipped the chapter on prioritizing threats during interstellar warfare in virtual environments. Please forgive my ignorance on this matter.

Yes, but he's still applying them wrong with the example I gave.

Enough arguing on whether AFK Cloaking and Local Chat are issues or not. They are both issues, and are not even totally separate from one another. There are a lot of people who want one or both of these issues solved, so instead of bantering back and forth, help think of a solution that:

1. Makes AFK cloaking useless.
2. Fixes the free intel issue presented by Local chat.
3. Gives null-sec Miners and PVErs a way to combat cloaking in return for risk, effort, time, and ISK. (The current buzzwords are Combat Drivers)
4. Keep cloaking as a useful game mechanic.

And optionally, but possibly most important for pushing such a thing through, is make CCP some money. They want more people making accounts. We need something that will make people say, "I want to do that."

EDIT: I am a null-sec miner, almost exclusively. I don't have enough game experience to think that any solution I come up with would not be fundamentally flawed. No one person is going to come up with a working solution. People need to het together, and come up with something that benefits EVE as a whole.

A fleet is only a threat the moment you let it prevent you from reaching your goal. For example by making you fly around chasing a fleet instead of whatever your goal is.
I have read the Art of War over a dozen times, it takes time before this stuff sinks in. The Art of War is not only relevant to infantry on a planet, people use it for everything, even business strategy.