EVE General Discussion

Yes, PvP Carebears. While steadfastly insisting that local is a key intel/combat tool, the continual excuse is given that it's the only way to detect AFK cloaked players that could potentially cyno on them. At the same time, these same PvP Carebears complain about the lack of "fair fights" and PvP opportunities. Yet they seem to have no problem suicide-ganking in high-sec whenever it suits them, or establishing gate-camps to kill any and all unsuspecting players who stumble into one. But we wouldn't want to deny them an idiot-proof way of immediately detecting any new players in-system, because that might prevent them from quickly docking up to avoid any conflict where they hold every advantage. Heaven forbid someone should actually spring a trap on them for a change...

I couldn't care less one way or the other. D-scan would do the trick in most situations, and if your flying anything you can;t afford to lose without a scout then you deserve to be shot. The only thing I would say is that firstly this would likely only help people wanting easy kill on unaware ratters and miners, and secondly that it would make null sec and low sec less appealing to most and it would start to empty out, since many players will automatically place "indeterminable risk" above "high risk"

Show us on the map where those ebil miners didn't allow you to touch them.

So eliminating local would make it less appealing to PvP Carebears, because it would be too much work to use probes and d-scan to track down ships? ;)

Considering they're Isboxing the gatecamps in the first place....................

I'm not sure what removing local would achieve. Local is the only tool bears have to defend against ganks in null. D-Scan isn't an option against cloakers, it's a pain to spam it every 5 seconds and it doesn't have enough range to be useful in larger systems. Basically, if you remove local, you remove all bears because no-one is going to run anoms in a 2bn isk pirate ship knowing that it will be destroyed (So the gankers still won't be getting any ganks). If people can't run anoms in null, what is the point in living in null? I doubt most people are grinding structures for fun, they're doing it for access to their alliance's anoms.

The only way I can see local being removed is if it is replaced with another system which serves the same purpose as local. Something like an infinite-range, automatic D-Scan which updates the HUD, showing other ships in the system and which direction those ships are in and whether the ship is friendly or neutral etc. Along with combat probes, there might be a feature to scan and warp straight to a ship from the HUD without having to go into the system map. That would be a system I feel could improve and enrich gameplay for everyone.

And Ore.

But yea, you're exactly right, and that's what these people don't take into account.

They love to mention wormholes, but hello:

1. Wormholes were build for no local, they work because access is severely restricted by the way entrances work, the same wouldn't work in null because of gates.

2. Wormholes, despite having the BEST PVE rewards in the entire decade long history of EVE online has the lowest share of population in the game. Even less than lowly but easier to enter LOW SEC.....



I'd like that too, but it would take a gigantic re-write of the game to make it work (another thing the no local people don't consider, ever). And there's no reason to do that because the current system (ugly as it can be) does work.

In guessing the "remove local" crowd has never been to low sec, or do you guys honestly think it would be fun to take a fleet on a roam for 2 hours and only cover 15 systems and find no fights because you had to scan down every system to find out it was empty or only had solo pilots who understandably dot want to engage your small gang?

Local lets you know which systems are worth looking for a fight in and which systems are best to just go +1 through. Low sec ain't exactly highly populated on a system by system basis, and the only reason you'd want to get rid of it is so you can eleet peeveepee against unsuspecting ratters who didnt see your gang enter system.

TL;DR - if you want to blob people who don't want to fight light a ******* cyno like every other person rather than complaining the mechanics need to be changed to some poorly thought out system that wouldn't even provide the benefits you think it would.

All CCP has to do is flip on the flag that allows ships to be seen in the discovery scanner. Then remove local and you solve the effortless perfect intel and the AFK cloaking "problem".

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