EVE General Discussion

So you want me to FIGHT right?
You, the real PVPer, want me to ACCEPT THE REAL MEN PVP CHALLENGE and uncloak my anathema and fight your tengu ?
You want me to scan your cargo?
You want me to use my Data/Relic analyzers to hack the **** out of your ship?
Makes sense, you know
These "true pvpers" are all the same thing across any MMO game.

Has the thought ever occurred to you to hunt the problem? IF it has been historically shown that the person in question can and does frequently hot drop, it might be a good idea to counter hot drop. Find out what typical force number and ship types are, and get your master alliance to join in the fun, those guys are always looking for kills. Do some research, find out where they normally stage out of, if they bridge off a titan or if its just a blops op. If you can't get your master alliance to help out then just get as many friends as you can to stand by in bombers and tank a bait ship, as soon as he declaoks to point and lights his cyno, point as many targets as you can, harden up, and let your friends unleash a rain of bombs upon your tormentors.

You have options, you just chose not to utilize them.

Wrong, see above post.

Cop out answer, I suppose. You'd only catch the noob hot-droppers and I guess the pro ones would realize it's not safe to fish. Half victories.

By the way, what are your thoughts on the local intel mechanic?

Usually the only people who have a problem with cloaking are people who should never have set foot in null to begin with.

People like to lump "nullbears" together, but as a player who enjoys nullsec PVe let me tell y'all, it ain't true.

Most of us accept that we are playing and trying to make is in dangerous space. We accept that people playing the same video game we are are trying to hunt us, scare us, disrupt us or do whatever they can to us. We accept the challenge and find new ways to mitigate the risk, or defeat the threat and still rake in the isks, Isk we use to buy drakes that we can then lose for the glory of our tech/r64 grabbing overlords (lol).

But like in all segments of humanity, there is a whiney, entitled, LOUD fringe minority that thinks they deserve everything while earning nothing. They think they should be able to come into NULL SEC and be left alone to pile isk to the ceiling.

The cloaky is the guy who comes in and says "I might have something to say about you making all that isk". Most times it's a bluff, but sometimes there is a fleet waiting in jump range to land on you. That uncertainty drives to entitled 'bear crazy, and being that those types aren't the type to fight back (by adapting in ways that reduce or eliminate the risk), their only outlet is to rage about it on the forums in hopes that mommy (ccp) comes and changes things for them.

The ask ccp for "depth charges" and new toold to find cloakys because not being able to directly attack a cloaky makes them impotent. As as all the commercials now tell us, EVErectile Dysfunction is no laughing matter...

I just fit cloak and MWd and rat somewhere else. I guess I'm doing it wrong.

... tying down a squad of players for days on end on the off-chance he shows himself? Is that supposed to gain CCP subs? Crappy game mechanics are crap. That is all their is to it. There might be counter (A) or counter (B), so what? Nobody cares. It's just a "thing" that makes Eve suck that CCP haven't yet done anything about. A bit like before WTZ was introduced.

Would you design things like that if you were starting from scratch? No, you wouldn't. If you did, you'd be a bad game designer.

Well said.

Bcause there are 2 opinions: yours and the wrong one, right?

So I see the thread is starting to fill up with idiots claiming everyone is a null bear. ******* shocking.
Simple facts are:

1. Ratting/mining with a cloaky in system is pointless. The loss of your ship is more costly than the isk it has made.
2. Cloakers know this, that's WHY they do it. They know it causes disruption so they do it. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying.
3. Cloakers are the ONLY people given a 100% immunity to combat unless they decide to engage.
4. Without doing something about cloaking, you can all continue to cry about the fact that null is broken and empty, because it will remain that way.

Every time this arguments is raised the same thing comes up from you morons too. "AFK cloakers cant hurt anyone". Which is true. But it's beside the point as there's NO WAY TO TELL if they are afk or waiting for a weak point to exploit. So the only option when a system is being camped is to move on, and leave the system empty. That's what gets done, and then there's mass whining about how you have nothing to fight in null.

Either grow a pair of balls and use something other than a cloaky nullified tengu in PvP or watch as the continuous stream of these threads continues to flow on the forum.

Interestingly enough, only one of those is vaguely approaching anything that can be considered a fact.

1. Ratting/mining with a cloaky in system is entirely doable. You just have to take precautions.
3. Cloakers are as immune to combat as anyone who's docked and, really, as anyone in a suitably fast ship.
4. None of the problems with null are related to cloaking — it's just an easy and readily handy target for people who haven't actually analysed what it is that is causing them problems.

That leaves #2 as the only fact. As luck would have it, this knowledge is easy to subvert.