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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-07-01 09:47:11 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
dexington wrote:
Why are we allowed to run missions without having to compete against other players?, no other profession is allowed to do that....
I know some Pirates that would disagree. They have lots of fun and make loads of ISK killing mission runners.


The only reason we hear about mission runners dying to pirates, is because of the laughable amount of stupidity involved in pimping out faction battleship with officer modules, only to lose it to a couple of battlecruiser while afk on the undock or gate, or to concorde do to not understanding aggro mechanics and using smartbombs or something equally stupid when attacked.

Fact is there is no other profession where you have as little risk compared to the reward as running level 4 missions in high sec, the biggest threat to you ship is your own stupidity.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-07-01 10:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Except that biggest isk gains come not from risking your ship but fighting on the markets, doing research for LP items, hauling the loot to a trade zone etc. The mission itself is just like a hauler with a minigame to make red blinkies disappear.

In other words the 'mission' itself is may be low risk, but the bounty payout alone is about right for the risk. The rest of the income comes from the fiercely competitive area known as the market.

Basically, I really dont see what's broken here tbh. If people want to screw with mission runners they certainly can do.


You could as easily contract your last sentence to "In high sec, the biggest risk to your ship, is your own stupidity" and it'd be entirely accurate.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#63 - 2013-07-01 11:27:05 UTC
dexington wrote:
Fact is there is no other profession where you have as little risk compared to the reward as running level 4 missions in high sec, the biggest threat to you ship is your own stupidity.

Once again, you haven't explained to us why this is a problem. You said you enjoy exploration. Great! You found your niche. Why does it chafe you so much that mission runners are having fun, too? The risk vs. reward bit is there... missions are lower risk and lower reward than many other professions.
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#64 - 2013-07-19 03:30:53 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
dexington wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Not really. Missions aren't restricted to a select few. If that's the sort of gameplay you want, then fit up a ship and run some missions. It's just one choice of many.


I like exploration, if missions was designed the same way, there would be a chance the agent would give the same mission to more then only player. I can't choose opt out the possibility of other players showing up and trying to steal the reward, only the mission runner get to play eve in easy mode.


hate to break this to you but loot thieves will take the objective if they recognize it.

Yeah, I've looted other people's level 4 missions before. They were already gone/dead but they left the loot in the wrecks untouched. Made 10-15 million.
Nambu
Two Dogs Operations
#65 - 2013-07-19 15:22:10 UTC
Tarmaniel wrote:

So just use T2 stuff? Well, a T2 shield tank simply does not cut it in L4s. You need that deadspace booster. A Gist C-type has over double the cap efficiency of a T2 booster, and costs 70 CPU less to fit. People just don't understand how much of a game changer the Gist booster is, it's this line of items alone that makes shield tanking so supreme in PvE. PvE shield tanks without one just suck, and I mean they really really suck.

A 6-slot T2 shield tank with 2x CCC II and a CCC I on a RNI only tanks 300 DPS. That's with max skills, something missioners are not likely to have. It's just not enough, you'll get killed horribly in many missions. Running this "epic" 300 dps tank also means no prop mod and no catalyst rigs. Missions with a far-away gate take forever, missions with a bunch of elite frigs can't be done at all as they switch to your drones and your missiles cannot damage them without said rigs.


Lol really a T2 shield tank simply does not cut it in L4s. That line is utter crap. You may not be running missions with record completion times, but you can do L4s, any L4, in a Raven with a non T2, all Meta <5 6/7 slot tank. You dont need to be cap stable, you dont need to perma boost, you do need to know what you are doing to a small degree. Most l4s are a joke, and the few slightly challenging ones can still be run without even T2 gear if you know what you are doing.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-07-19 15:46:55 UTC
Nambu wrote:
Tarmaniel wrote:

So just use T2 stuff? Well, a T2 shield tank simply does not cut it in L4s. You need that deadspace booster. A Gist C-type has over double the cap efficiency of a T2 booster, and costs 70 CPU less to fit. People just don't understand how much of a game changer the Gist booster is, it's this line of items alone that makes shield tanking so supreme in PvE. PvE shield tanks without one just suck, and I mean they really really suck.

A 6-slot T2 shield tank with 2x CCC II and a CCC I on a RNI only tanks 300 DPS. That's with max skills, something missioners are not likely to have. It's just not enough, you'll get killed horribly in many missions. Running this "epic" 300 dps tank also means no prop mod and no catalyst rigs. Missions with a far-away gate take forever, missions with a bunch of elite frigs can't be done at all as they switch to your drones and your missiles cannot damage them without said rigs.


Lol really a T2 shield tank simply does not cut it in L4s. That line is utter crap. You may not be running missions with record completion times, but you can do L4s, any L4, in a Raven with a non T2, all Meta <5 6/7 slot tank. You dont need to be cap stable, you dont need to perma boost, you do need to know what you are doing to a small degree. Most l4s are a joke, and the few slightly challenging ones can still be run without even T2 gear if you know what you are doing.


Meta stuff will do it just fine on some ships. Hell a SNI can run a 4 slot non T2 tank just fine. XL booster, bost amp and 2 specific resist mod and you are golden.