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Solo Careers?

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Harry Voyager
Obscurity LLC
#1 - 2013-07-19 03:20:28 UTC
Not exactly new, but I've been away for a very long time.

I'm curious, what are the solo career paths these days? I notice that CCP is listing exploration as a possible profession, and I find myself wondering how that works. Are we talking a purely PVE field, or is this doable in the PVP side of things?

Thank you,

Harry Voyager
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-19 07:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryder 'ook
Try Exploration in low / null sec?

PvP would find you, I'm sure. And from what I hear it can be a lot of fun to frustrate hopeful PvPers by slipping away under their grasp...

I'm a complete newbie, mind you. But I'm reading a lot and I think I would like to do that, too, once my skills are up to it...


Cheers, Ryder

Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-19 07:31:07 UTC
Every pvp gang loves having a pilot that is proficient with combat probes. You could also probe out sites then sneak up on explorers and extract a ransom or just blow them up and take the loot, both of which are more lucrative then actually running the sites. In low sec at least. You could sneak up on high sec explorers, wait for them to hack a can then decloak & steal thir mini-cans. Good for tears and lulz if nothing else.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-19 07:34:16 UTC
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Try Exploration in low / null sec?

PvP would find you, I'm sure. And from what I hear it can be a lot of fun to frustrate hopeful PvPers by slipping away under their grasp...

I'm a complete newbie, mind you. But I'm reading a lot and I think I would like to do that, too, once my skills are up to it...


Cheers, Ryder


It takes almost no skills to do low sec explo. I see 2-3 month old characters probing down low sec sights all the time. Just be quick with the d-scan, know what us going on while you're playing loot-kakke
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-19 08:03:18 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Try Exploration in low / null sec?

PvP would find you, I'm sure. And from what I hear it can be a lot of fun to frustrate hopeful PvPers by slipping away under their grasp...

I'm a complete newbie, mind you. But I'm reading a lot and I think I would like to do that, too, once my skills are up to it...


Cheers, Ryder


It takes almost no skills to do low sec explo. I see 2-3 month old characters probing down low sec sights all the time. Just be quick with the d-scan, know what us going on while you're playing loot-kakke



Yeah, but even this is still a few weeks in the future...

Right now, I'm still working on my "Newbie skill plan 2.0" to get my combat basics nailed down while doing a bit of mining and missioning in high-sec and reading the rookie channel...

But yes, I can imagine that in two weeks or so, I'll grab my Imicus and give it a try!

Cheers, Ryder

Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.

voetius
Grundrisse
#6 - 2013-07-19 08:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: voetius
Harry Voyager wrote:
Not exactly new, but I've been away for a very long time.

I'm curious, what are the solo career paths these days? I notice that CCP is listing exploration as a possible profession, and I find myself wondering how that works. Are we talking a purely PVE field, or is this doable in the PVP side of things?

Thank you,

Harry Voyager


Exploration like trading is probably one of the professions that doesn't benefit so much from being in a group. That said, you learn more and faster in a group of people that have similar interests.

One thing you can do while you are finding your feet again is to join the ingame channel Exploration and just lurk in there. There are some useful links in the MOTD and the talk of low sec riches might tempt you out there.

It still makes sense, IMO, to get some experience exploring in high sec to start with so that when and if you venture to less secure space you can focus on what is around you rather than get ganked because you are so caught up with learning the mechanics of exploration.

edit : typo
Haniss Uisen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-19 08:53:16 UTC
I started Low-/Nullsec Explo as a 2 week old char and havent found a site i couldnt scan down yet. Hacking sometimes fails, especially with the 90-strength-sites in Null but its still great ISK.

My scanning skills are really low, Astrometics still at 3 i believe. Just make sure to use Sisters Probes and the T1 frig that gives +Scan Strength. Also a Cloak is good, learnt that after i lost a 370 mil cargo in Null.
Zoe Allende
Gardes Feydakin
#8 - 2013-07-19 08:59:52 UTC
Solo low-sec exploration has many benefits: first, it's profitable, then it's actually much more fun, rewarding and much less dull than high-sec PvE as it will teach you how to use the d-scan in a defensive fashion and how to evade people who are actively trying to put you down. Although not combat (if you find yourself in your PvE ship engaged in a PvP combat situation, you're screwed), that makes a nice introduction to the inner mechanics of PvP.
And while playing cat and mouse with pirates you might actually make some friends with them or with other locals (at least I did, on more than one occasion).

Solo null-sec exploration takes it to another level, it's actually much more dangerous and much less predictable, although it somewhat still depends on the area you're in (Curse is not Syndicate which is not Providence which is not GW which is not conquerable space...). It also requires much higher resources, constant awareness and even better knowledge of the game mechanics. I would certainly not recommend it to a new player that is yet not quite comfortable in low-sec.

Solo wormhole exploration is not feasible, I guess, or require skills and resources that are way out of reach of a "new" player anyway.

By the way, in my book "solo" means no alts, no scouts, no links.

Open the map, find an area that suits you, get to know its topography, get to know the locals and get started! Remember that you only need a T1 scanning frigate (but train for covert ops ASAP) and an assault frigate if you plan to do combat sites (of course I'm obviously not talking about Sansha Annexes, here).
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-07-19 09:41:29 UTC
Harry Voyager wrote:
Not exactly new, but I've been away for a very long time.

I'm curious, what are the solo career paths these days? I notice that CCP is listing exploration as a possible profession, and I find myself wondering how that works. Are we talking a purely PVE field, or is this doable in the PVP side of things?

Thank you,

Harry Voyager


If you are going to play solo, be that on your own, or as a part of a 'freelancer' Corp where you all do your own thing. One thing you have to keep in mind is that the boundery between what is PvE and PvP is starting to become blurred.

This is especially so if you are going to go down the exploration path. To make the big iskies, you have to go to places where people will be hunting you down, for no other reason then that they can. And please, that is not a dig or whinge, I enjoy that part of the game greatly.

Looking at the number of comments about how poor exploration loot is in high sec following the changes, I suspect that we have had a very quiet case of CCP whispering "Working as intended."

My point is, unless you plan on being a 100% high sec dweller, you have to be aware that you may well have to deal with others who are out to spoil your day, so you need to get into the mind set that there is no difference between PvE and PvP.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-19 10:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Zoe Allende wrote:
Solo null-sec exploration takes it to another level, it's actually much more dangerous and much less predictable, although it somewhat still depends on the area you're in (Curse is not Syndicate which is not Providence which is not GW which is not conquerable space...). It also requires much higher resources, constant awareness and even better knowledge of the game mechanics. I would certainly not recommend it to a new player that is yet not quite comfortable in low-sec. Solo wormhole exploration is not feasible, I guess, or require skills and resources that are way out of reach of a "new" player anyway. By the way, in my book "solo" means no alts, no scouts, and no links.


Actually Zoe, I have to disagree with you on these points.

In my experience, it is better to head for null sec then low sec. Much better loot and a lot fewer players out hunting you. Yes, the null sec alliances that lay claim to a give part of null probably hate us with a passion, but solo explorers are probably the least of their worries, and not worth the effort to try and push us out.
We are like flies around that pile of freshly deposited and still steaming doggie do-do. Yes, they will swat a few of us, but more will swarm in to suck up that lovely null sec goodness.

I regularly work WH systems too, mainly mining for rare ores, gas mining, and if I find a particularly quiet system I will also do the exploration sites there.
Ok, by 'working' I mean 'ninja' raiding rather than trying to set up and live out of a POS in one.

The trick when soloing a WH system is not to think "If I lose a ship" to "When I lose a ship". I have lost maybe half a dozen ships to WH systems. But I go in with a clean clone and a cheap and cheerful 'Throw away' ship.

I can drag more out of a WH system with in-between losses being a nuisance then an issue.

Oh and I am also talking about soloing in exactly the way you have defined.

One character, no scouts, no alts, no nothing Meta gaming wise. It can all be more then done, it is a challenge, it's not easy, but that is what draws me too it. Max goes anywhere he wants, does anything he wants to do, and will cheerfully thumb his nose at anybody who tries to stop him. And takes his 'lumps' cheerfully when they do stop him and stomp on him!

Goonies are the Bee swarm of Eve, Max is that annoying Blue Bottle that buzzes about your bedroom when you are trying to get to sleep. It's there, it's bloody annoying, but it's just too much effort to get out of bed and grab the fly spray!
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-19 10:08:48 UTC
don't do solo pvp its nothing but death and misery.

Which is a great pity because everthing else in this game will drive you crazy after a while.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-07-19 10:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Paul Otichoda wrote:
don't do solo pvp its nothing but death and misery.

Which is a great pity because everthing else in this game will drive you crazy after a while.


I have been doing Solo PVP since I started playing.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Zoe Allende
Gardes Feydakin
#13 - 2013-07-19 10:56:30 UTC
Paul, the next troll you spawn at least try to be on topic.


Max, fair enough, our opinion depends on our own unique game experience. To me, null-sec dwellers - and I've been one of them for months -, be it NPC or conquerable space, are much more organized than random people you meet in low-sec. They exhibit a stronger "get off my lawn" behaviour and have much greater ability to enforce it, usually flying bigger ships and being able to engage on gates and such. Hell, they can lock the system down too if they feel like it, even more easily if it's a pipe or a dead end. And the moment you enter their space, they know you're here through their intel channel.

Of course there are empty systems in deep null-sec, but you have to either trick the people guarding the access way twice (in and out) or be lucky to find a wormhole that leads there. I'm all for taking risks but not for rushing into the wolf pack.

That's why I think that from a solo point of view low-sec exploration is overall more profitable and easier for new players. You can bring bigger ships to do bigger sites without having to setup a whole bunch of tactical safespots before, run them much faster than you would in null and draw less attention.

Finally, socially speaking, I find it much easier to speak frankly and bind with local pirates and random roamers, haulers, POS maintainers, etc.. than with the grunts of a huge corp who immediately consider you an undesired complete stranger or even a threat.

That being said, props for working solo in WH space, I hope you've got rewards accordingly for it.


Oh and thanks for making me read about what a bluebottle is. English is not my mother tongue and didn't know the word. Blink
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#14 - 2013-07-19 12:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Zoe Allende wrote:


Of course there are empty systems in deep null-sec, but you have to either trick the people guarding the access way twice (in and out) or be lucky to find a wormhole that leads there. I'm all for taking risks but not for rushing into the wolf pack.



Damn, it sounds like even null is not safe in Eve any more :(

Now seriosly: Exploration is one of the solo career path listed, but it is not that profitable since the Odessey patch. And if you are looking PvP side of things in PvE activity, you probably better off with missioning. Proper Exploration fit is not suited for PvE combat and PvE combat fit is in most cases something different from PvP combat fit. If you are going to use Gnosis as all-in-one ship for all activities you will lack hacking bonus of cover op frigates during exploration, your shield recharge rate, low speed and number of other things will criple your combat abilities. So if you decide to go exploration - you should probably focus on getting cover op frigate ASAP. And it is not a solo PvP ship. If you are going to try PvP or PvE combat activity - you should probably skip learning exploration related skills.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-19 17:38:56 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
don't do solo pvp its nothing but death and misery.

Which is a great pity because everthing else in this game will drive you crazy after a while.


I solo pvp. No alts/scouts/links. I don't even use boosters. Its fun. Lots of it.
Harry Voyager
Obscurity LLC
#16 - 2013-07-19 23:52:27 UTC
Just for clarification, when I was talking about pvp rather than pve, I was less talking about chasing ships down and shooting them, than I was the part of the game that is driven by interactions a dealings with other players. Basically, not mining and not missions.

On a side rail, we have new faces now? When did that happen?
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-07-20 07:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Harry Voyager wrote:
Just for clarification, when I was talking about pvp rather than pve, I was less talking about chasing ships down and shooting them, than I was the part of the game that is driven by interactions a dealings with other players. Basically, not mining and not missions.

On a side rail, we have new faces now? When did that happen?



Face changes happened awhile back, when they introduced the captains quarters.

And to answer your original question, and taking your defination of PvP into account. Yes, it is more then doable to solo in Eve.

I think that in Eve, a truely solo player, is a very rare creature. I think that Max is typical of most 'solo' player-characters, in that he works in his own Corp, with nobody else but his PI Alts. But he also has a long contacts list.

While some of those contacts are friends that he has flown with in the past, most are 'business' contacts, though one or two of those are moving towards the friends side.

For me, solo play means that I choose to do what Max does, when I choose. Not when some power crazed 'erk' who has a CEO title says so. (I had enough of those in real life!)

But often I will choose to go and help a contact, or just team up with a friend for a couple of hours and run some level 4's for the 'giggles and sh1ts'.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-07-20 10:09:18 UTC
Harry Voyager wrote:
Just for clarification, when I was talking about pvp rather than pve, I was less talking about chasing ships down and shooting them, than I was the part of the game that is driven by interactions a dealings with other players. Basically, not mining and not missions.

On a side rail, we have new faces now? When did that happen?


What Max said.

I choose to go and kill people when I want. I don't need to share isk I made from drops or from people that pay me to go away.

Even though my gameplay is Solo I do have a lot of contacts/intel/friends that I can call on for support.

When you join bigger entities you are basically required to stay in-line and work with the group to achieve something. As a solo player my only goal is to enjoy myself and that is what I do.

I don't pve or do industry. I make enough ISK from PVP to support my PVP gameplay.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk