Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well that means the group and organization known as PL they are the they and the one means PK has moved to the forums at a higher existance :p, See PK I got your back :p

Bait & gank their caps. Caps go down very fast with 150k focused dps on them.

Well spotted Grath. It's not - other than it is real in that it has pulled out the views of players from one of the nullsec corps that is currently responsible for undermining the Odyssey changes. It is clear from the above that such players consider there is nothing wrong with a tiny proportion of the game playerbase controlling vast quantities of the gamespace due to the current SOV and station mechanics. It would have been inappropriate to continue pushing for changes to the game mechanics without seeking the views of such players, so I did.

The reactions from the Pandemic Leigon players simply make the real point - that rapid travel and the decade old nullsec map are enabling absentee ownership and denial of game growth for this game.

EVE Online has been growing year after year, for many years. Sure. So what? It is about return on commercial investment in the face of increasingly sophisticated competition in a very small niche game space. If EVE Online wants to be more than an ancient curiosity, they need to continue to improve their game - and they have made many design changes in the past 3 years that mirror changes made in other games, which in those other games contributed to the ending of service of those products.

I wasn't kidding or trolling when I said many of my friends have quit over losing our home in nullsec. That 'get a home,. love the game, lose your home, quit the game" dynamic has been present ever since Ultima Online invented and added player housing. How to balance the security of your home, against preserving pvp, is one of the major design challenges in modern MMOs. That there are so many underused "homes" in EVE that are empty because of the map and players preventing others who would otherwise bring pvp to those dead and pointless areas smacks of poor design choices by CCP.

The question becomes what to do about it.

Yes I trolled you guys into saying more than you probably ever intended to, however the point remains the same - the game is currently broken from a pvp perspective. There is a major schism between ants and tank drivers, and between highsec and low/nullsec. Odyssey was unashamedly designed to pull and push players into low / nullsec, and while it has worked to some extent for lowsec, it is now clear that is at the expense of nullsec. If you want small ship pvp (ants), everyone moves to lowsec. Why? You never get that gameplay in most of nullsec - you get afk cloaky campers, people who simply dock when a neut is detected one system either side of where they play, and capital level play (tanks pvp). When people famous for their pvp in nullsec are moving to lowsec because they are not getting the pvp they want from nullsec, there is simply no question that there is an issue.

The solution originally posited above is effectively what would happen if Nullsec PVPers were locked out of lowsec by game mechanics? The obvious answer from PL players above is that they would cry, and cry a lot, to CCP.

But if nullsec players have been pushed to lowsec / highsec by the mega alliances players, and the mega alliance players themselves are now moving to lowsec too because they are so bored in nullsec, that really does underscore the point for CCP that the nullsec map and sov mechanics are simply not working. They need a massive overhaul. What shape that should take is of course up for discussion, but this thread has served its purpose - drawing out the views of players who are reluctant to say what they really think. Nothing quite like getting someone's guard down to then get them to speak their mind.

You guys got drunk on tears, and basically admitted that Pandemic Leigon is a sov owning alliance who kick alliances who do not pay their rentals, even though you pretend in the beginning that you are not renting space at all and don't own sov. You do, in fact if not in name. You also have revealed that you are for want of a better word, bored. Nullsec should be providing ll the pvp you can handle, all the stories and tears you can stand. Yet you all took the time to fall for my troll post, and indeed have even admitted to moving gto lowsec to play, implicitly because there actually *is* pvp in lowsec.

So yes, CCP. Do it. Add highsec islands to all distant parts of the map, with attendant lowsec space around them, or redraw the map so that no-where is more than 2 jump cal 5 jumps from Highsec. The economics of the gamespace simply do not make any sense for anyone who is not a renter, because as PL themselves so helpfully explained, you can make more ISK for less risk in Highsec, without wasting time travelling. When the "elite pvpers" from nullsec have moved to lowsec because they are so beored between the occasional tank vs tank sov battle, it's time to scarp the current map and do it over. Every system should be worth playing in (i.e. better than highsec in one or more ways), not just 1 in 12 with most of nullsec being utterly pointless waste of data space and player time while they look for someone to pvp ... which usually means you see one person who made it to their POS or station, and system after system of the only people in local being the ones who flew in with you, even in outpost systems. That's not the sign of a healthy game, given nullsec is meant to be where the elite live. Most of it is currently just home for bots and moon harvesters, and the latest crop of newbies who have rented but not yet worked out that they are losing money over playing in high sec, and can (and often are) very spectacularly screwed over such as was demonstrated last week. So. Fix it, or watch this product continue to under perform commercially, with the risk that when a better equivalent game that *did* fix such issues comes along, EVE goes into mothball mode. 10 years - nullsec deserves love..

ITT: 7 year old miners, that don't understand how to tackle capitals write manifesto about how not mad they are.

Well put. Unfortunately that is the problem, because people who want to do that and who do not wish to join a mega alliance hit that "glass ceiling". Then being unable to advance past that point, their playstyle stagnates, their player activity tapers off over time, they bleed players, then cease to exist.

There needs to be someplace for such corps to go which does not require them to be serfs to the large empires. Because while the large empire having serfs is perfectly fine as a game dynamic, the tendency of Western players to simply quit rather than suffer becoming a serf with the grind elements and poor economic consequences that flow with that means that player social groups tend to rise though the game, and at the one - three year point hit that limit, and once enough have left, they all quit. That is still a decent retention path, however many more corps simply cannot achieve even that, and fail out much sooner. Bottom line, if we can keep those corps and get them out in nullsec playing as independents, it will improve the game.

Entire reigons being blue is fine - but you can't do that and also say EVE Online is a pvp game. It's a farming empire game, where a tiny number of pvp corps and players compete to control the farmers. Farmville in space.

Holy cow, the faucet never ends. We're drowning in tears over here.


OP - face it. One person whining that they can't succeed will NEVER succeed. Your friends are quitters, you're feeling entitled to gameplay you not only haven't, but apparently CAN'T earn, and you're blaming everyone but yourself.

HTFU

ah yes the old "oh shіt I look like a rеtard better pretend I was trolling" troll

you got me good, who should I contract all my assets to as I clearly must quit the game now

That is a rather odd thing to call a pubbie renter that is likely to be bad at PvP, they are the ATM and are to be milked as much as they can bear, my suggestion fits in totally with your alliances attitude, wow you need to improve your forum warrioring, its pretty poor.

Are you really that illiterate or just trying too hard?