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Retain players dedication for the game, suggestions?
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Ted Cisse
Lanisters
#1 - 2013-07-18 04:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ted Cisse
I'v noticed many players in eve come and go. So i thought of a few simple things that could help increase the level of dedication.

The same way Diablo 3 is allowing its players to sell in-game items for real money to other players, I think it would be a good idea to have such system in EVE.

Of course EVE is not Diablo3 but thats not the point.

I understand this will open the door to many unwanted issues that will directly have an impact in the game... but i feel EVE hardly rewards long time playing players. I feel i should get something for my dedication to the game and having the ability to sell isk/plex to make a little money out of the time that i spend will be more than enough.

small SP boosts, Christmas gifts, new year gifts once a year is not enough.

Like for every 3 continuous months that i'm playing i should get something cool.
For 12 continuous months i should get something cooler.
For 24 months something even more cooler.
etc

Sp boost for every 3 months of continuous membership would be a good point to start working on i think.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-07-18 04:51:35 UTC
Ted Cisse wrote:
The same way Diablo 3 is allowing its players to sell in-game items for real money to other players, I think it would be a good idea to have such system in EVE.

Look up Pilot License Extensions (PLEX).

A person can buy game time from CCP directly, redeem the GTC in-game, and sell it for ISK.

This has the added benefit of curbing the scourge that is Real Money Trading

Ted Cisse wrote:
I understand this will open the door to many unwanted issues that will directly have an impact in the game... but i feel EVE hardly rewards long time playing players.

They get more skillpoints and, if they are truly dedicated, establish and preserve interpersonal connections with others (that opens up more doors to different style of gameplay further down the road).

Ted Cisse wrote:
small SP boosts, Christmas gifts, new year gifts once a year is not enough.

No. Use the search function to look up the myriad different proposals dealing with this subject and the wrath they all suffered.

Ted Cisse wrote:
Like for every 3 continuous months that i'm playing i should get something cool.
For 12 continuous months i should get something cooler.
For 24 months something even more cooler.

Build up your wallet. Get sexy stuff.
Rack up kills. Brag about it.
Establish a group, do something noteworth, be E-famous.

Ted Cisse wrote:
Sp boost for every 3 months of continuous membership would be a good point to start working on i think

No. Vets don't need more rewards than they already have. And I speak as a vet.

How did you Veterans start?
Ted Cisse
Lanisters
#3 - 2013-07-18 05:31:52 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

A person can buy game time from CCP directly, redeem the GTC in-game, and sell it for ISK.

This has the added benefit of curbing the scourge that is Real Money Trading .


All right but a person has no way of reducing the cost of a PLEX unless that person decides to buy more then 1 PLEX basicly Money Talks policy that advantages only CCP.

Then you see them waste resources on a bad game (514 Dust) with the Money that you spent instead of reinvesting it on EVE.

ShahFluffers wrote:

They get more skillpoints and, if they are truly dedicated, establish and preserve interpersonal connections with others (that opens up more doors to different style of gameplay further down the road).


How so? iv been playing for 2 years and i never got any sp boosts.


ShahFluffers wrote:

Build up your wallet. Get sexy stuff.
Rack up kills. Brag about it.
Establish a group, do something noteworth, be E-famous.


Btw i'm not even talking for my self, I have stopped paying for my eve subs a long time ago and now i can easily afford to maintain 5 chars at the same time and yes thats an achievement which i'm happy of.

I'm actually talking for those that do pay for their membership and are getting nothing for their loyalty.

ShahFluffers wrote:

No. Vets don't need more rewards than they already have. And I speak as a vet.


Of course they do... the game pace is already extremely slow on purpose when some one is a good customer you need to keep him happy and at this moment i dont think CCP is doing that
DataRunner Touch
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-07-18 05:43:44 UTC
Ted Cisse wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:

A person can buy game time from CCP directly, redeem the GTC in-game, and sell it for ISK.

This has the added benefit of curbing the scourge that is Real Money Trading .


All right but a person has no way of reducing the cost of a PLEX unless that person decides to buy more then 1 PLEX basicly Money Talks policy that advantages only CCP.

Then you see them waste resources on a bad game (514 Dust) with the Money that you spent instead of reinvesting it on EVE.

ShahFluffers wrote:

They get more skillpoints and, if they are truly dedicated, establish and preserve interpersonal connections with others (that opens up more doors to different style of gameplay further down the road).


How so? iv been playing for 2 years and i never got any sp boosts.


ShahFluffers wrote:

Build up your wallet. Get sexy stuff.
Rack up kills. Brag about it.
Establish a group, do something noteworth, be E-famous.


Btw i'm not even talking for my self, I have stopped paying for my eve subs a long time ago and now i can easily afford to maintain 5 chars at the same time and yes thats an achievement which i'm happy of.

I'm actually talking for those that do pay for their membership and are getting nothing for their loyalty.

ShahFluffers wrote:

No. Vets don't need more rewards than they already have. And I speak as a vet.


Of course they do... the game pace is already extremely slow on purpose when some one is a good customer you need to keep him happy and at this moment i dont think CCP is doing that


All right but a person has no way of reducing the cost of a PLEX unless that person decides to buy more then 1 PLEX basicly Money Talks policy that advantages only CCP. A person infact can impact the plex department, by refusing to buying a plex at a higher price, thus in time bringing down the price, if he and others follow the same train, of course, you could always affect the price market as a seller as well.... The prices in this game is define by the player.

As for "wasting money." honestly, it their game, CCP doesn't have to listen to you at all, instead I think CCP has been the best company in listening to their fans, and you know what they did? They have brought more games into Eve universe for other people to interact with other people, dust isn't just a FPS game, it a MMOFPS game that can directly influence the eve universe...and vis-versa.

Next, for a two year vet you seem to have missed this easy to interpret item. Your reward for staying in game is simple, your character gains experance, thus allowing to put on, or even fly bigger and cooler shinies, and if you actually interact with the game instead of playing the skill training mini-game you will understand what it means to build relationships. With others, you are getting the greatest reward that CCP can't give you, and that is connections too do what ever you please, be it to gain infamy, or nobility.
Ted Cisse
Lanisters
#5 - 2013-07-18 06:36:13 UTC
DataRunner Touch wrote:
[quote=Ted Cisse][quote=ShahFluffers]
With others, you are getting the greatest reward that CCP can't give you, and that is connections too do what ever you please, be it to gain infamy, or nobility.


You can achieve that with a game like Lords and Knights...a 2D/data mmo game. .. all you need is a chat and e-mail service.

The actual eve game is boring as *****. I found the way to make isk money with not even playing the game as it was meant to be played and thats the only thing i find attractive from eve is that you can be creative in how you make your ISKs.

To actually fly those big and sexy ships... not only you need months but you need alot of isks. On top of that you risk losing your ship.

The game is broken, not fun, boring, does not do much to make you keep paying for it (specially for new gamers).

I see absolutely no effort from CCP to try and get new customers to want to play this game past the trial period.
DataRunner Touch
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-07-18 06:57:53 UTC
You have no imagination. Roll
Monica Belluci
Coren's Firesale Empire
#7 - 2013-07-18 06:59:22 UTC
Then go play LaK then please, this is a sandbox game, player needs to work to reach reward, continued subscription should be rewarded? well when your subscription ends you can't play :S you should play to have fun and if you don't have fun with EvE sorry mate but this game isn't your thing, honestly i think ccp holds their customer in high regard, which may sound good but actually isn't, Sanbox games should be sandbox, plain and simple, every single unfairness results in players shouting at ccp, why does a sandbox game need to be fair? :S i mean really what is a sandbox game then? Losers may just quit no one really cares, or at least shouldn't. If you want to revolutinize eve, then force everyone to play with a single character, and see how social this game gets (it is already more social than anygame but potentially it has room to become much more social) while you are at it you might add active skill progression this now is a valid reward if you really want a reward, these will increase the active unique player count. And dude you should go play in stock exchange for everyones sake (including yourself) if you are playing the game for isk.
Marcus Harikari
#8 - 2013-07-18 07:03:55 UTC
eve is something i do to help put me to sleep when i dont have enough money for hookers :) mining or orbiting FW plex is extremely calming to me somehow \o/ yeah, i really don't understand people who find excitement in this game, lol...well...maybe a little...lowsec courier running was very exciting
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-18 07:10:00 UTC
Continuing to train skills isn't good enough for you?
Ted Cisse
Lanisters
#10 - 2013-07-18 07:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ted Cisse
Astroniomix wrote:
Continuing to train skills isn't good enough for you?



even that is broken.. why the hell do you have a 24 hours limitation on your skills planning.. specially when there's skills that can take up to 40 days to train.

if people like me stopped playing this game it would drastically have an impact in eves economy as things will become more available/cheaper... so you guys who are actually paying would have more buying power... hence you'll need to throw less of your real money in to EVE which is bad for CCP.

I enjoy the market side of eve, i don't have to pay for my membership so i'm happy. I'm talking more for you guys who are paying. I don't think you are fairly rewarded for the amount of money you inject in this game. You guys are the cash cows for CCP, without you CCP wouldn't exist.

I'm not saying CCP has bad intentions but sometimes i feel i'm not being served and treated the way i should be treated as an eve player.. and im talking about the game experience.
Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-18 08:26:51 UTC
Really? Free rewards, free stuff for playing? A larger item store? Next thing you know they'll be like every other MMO out there just space age. Next thing you know items in the store will have bonus stats and be sold for stupid amounts and players without those items will get creamed because they don't have a 50% armor boost or whatever with little to no drawbacks. Not why I picked up EVE a few months ago. I picked up EVE because its actually difficult when you try to shoot for something not to mention on Eden Eternal it was literally "Buy this item from the store and you're unkillable at your level." You win you get cool stuff, bragging rights and epicness. Lose and you might get picked on for a bit, but you always have the chqance to win win win and the learning almost never stops in EVE in that other crap you never worked for anything except level grinding. EVE isn't about free stuff for being a dedicated player its about building relationships, teamwork and moving towards a common goal or even tearing apart those relationshps and teams one by one. Its almost like life gotta work to get and personally I like that. I actually feel accomplished after I've put time into getting something like I do in my real life and happy that EVE even gives holiday rewards. Anyway that's my two cents as new player :)

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#12 - 2013-07-18 09:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Ted Cisse wrote:
I'v noticed many players in eve come and go. So i thought of a few simple things that could help increase the level of dedication.

The same way Diablo 3 is allowing its players to sell in-game items for real money to other players, I think it would be a good idea to have such system in EVE.

Of course EVE is not Diablo3 but thats not the point.

I understand this will open the door to many unwanted issues that will directly have an impact in the game... but i feel EVE hardly rewards long time playing players. I feel i should get something for my dedication to the game and having the ability to sell isk/plex to make a little money out of the time that i spend will be more than enough.

small SP boosts, Christmas gifts, new year gifts once a year is not enough.

Like for every 3 continuous months that i'm playing i should get something cool.
For 12 continuous months i should get something cooler.
For 24 months something even more cooler.
etc

Sp boost for every 3 months of continuous membership would be a good point to start working on i think.

first thing to retain player:

LISTEN TO THEM ABOUT THE EXPANSION.

i don't care about free stuff
well, always welcome, but the current one we have for Xmas and eve anniversary are already enought, and while i like it, it is clearly not what will retain me.

however, listening to player feedback when a bad expansion is released(or correcting it before release when it is reported from sisi) IS what will retain me.

on the other hand, they could hand me all the free stuff they want, ignoring us, not correcting issue, will not prevent players from leaving.

eve iw what we do from it, we just want efficient and reliable mechanics, and so far, i'ts less and less what eve is about
Siri Exotic
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-07-18 10:02:03 UTC
I've been coming and going in EvE for 10 years, the game is still fundementally the same as it was in build 361, it's just had 10 years of balancing.

Why do I come back ? Normally because I've just watched Battlestar Galactica and Eve is the closest I can get to owning my own Viper.

I think the Dust 514 integration is by far the most interesting addition to the Eve world.

I would like to see more rewards for long term service though as that would encourage me to keep my subscription active instead of letting my accounts lapse and coming back 6-12 months later.