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CCP, why are drones forbidden in missions ?

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
#21 - 2013-07-17 16:38:08 UTC
Now you're just being pouty.

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De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#22 - 2013-07-17 16:39:45 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Spc One wrote:
it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all.
So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden.
You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden.

Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max.


This is demonstrably false.

I routinely rat in a rattlesnake. I only have to pull my drones in between waves until I have aggro back on my ship. You're definitely doing something wrong.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Ramael Hashur
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-07-17 16:41:01 UTC
Again, it seems really unfortunate that you're pretty much forced into a sentry role. It should be an option, not mandatory. And even if it's an option, you should get more 'reward' for putting more 'risk' into not using a sentry fit, i.e. having heavies and mediums actually compete with sentries for damage. At the moment, sentries are the least risky and most powerful.
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-07-17 16:43:05 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.

You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it.

I'll try golem with painter, let's see.


You don't have to change ship. The EW does not need to be bonused to get most of the aggro.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#25 - 2013-07-17 16:43:33 UTC
Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-07-17 16:45:35 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.


What kind of drone did you use and what enemy ship were on the field when you used them?
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#27 - 2013-07-17 16:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchi Sal
your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question. you might as well throw out mining drones.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#28 - 2013-07-17 16:49:54 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:
your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question.

Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2013-07-17 16:53:08 UTC
I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.

Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?


Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#30 - 2013-07-17 16:56:53 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.

Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?


Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about.

It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP.
Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-17 16:59:17 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question.

Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp.


Clear the field a bit first then you can use light or mediums. Not sure about large as I never used them. From memory, meds can be used safely when there are only BC a BS on the field. If you have aggro firmly on your ship, light can be used with anything on the field. Just pay attention to elite frigs as they can swap target even with a painter on them.
Din Chao
#32 - 2013-07-17 17:04:52 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question.

Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#33 - 2013-07-17 17:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Spc One wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.

Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?


Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about.

It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP.
Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?


They aren't, stop asking this question.

Drones getting aggro is to make it more challenging to use drone boats than to use them to afk it.

Drones as very much still certainly usable as the MAIN FORM OF DPS and if you can't keep drones from dying there is either something you don't understand or are quite simply doing it wrong.

Once while flying a domi I sent my ogres after a machariel that was sitting at like 55km (I only had gardes at the time and T1 omnis). One ogre took aggro and even after flying towards and away from that machariel in a straight line and taking several heavy hits that little ****** made his slow-ass back alive.

Now tell me, how in the **** are you losing sentries when they can be pulled in instantly yet my ogre survives a 50km slowboat with near 0 transversal to a battleship?

Here is the bet I place on you, if I run Worlds Collide, L4, (Sansha / Angel) solo, in a domi, without losing any drones besides 2 lights, you owe me 500 mill. If I lose one you get said domi and can do with it as you please.

I will record said feat for proof of course.

I afford myself the 2 light drone limitation because webbers suck, but I could probably not lose any if I'm careful.

Oh and I'll do the sansha rooms too for ya

The Drake is a Lie

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-07-17 17:08:34 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.

You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it.

I'll try golem with painter, let's see.


Or just kill off the smaller ships that's eating up your dones.

Then sick 'em on the cruiser+ sized ships.

I use them to eat through BSs while I make lunch (beats wasting ISK on missiles). Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#35 - 2013-07-17 17:09:39 UTC
This makes me want to dust of my Domi and actually run a mission. Sounds like they're more fun and challenging and less of a bore than they were 3-4 years ago P

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Arec Bardwin
#36 - 2013-07-17 17:15:28 UTC
Perhaps he's right.

Perhaps CCP added an exception in the drone AI just for him.

Perhaps CCP hates him SPECIFICALLY.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2013-07-17 17:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Micro Jump Drive Operation + Sentry Drone Interfacing + Dominix



3x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II's

2x Drone Link Augmentor II's

3x Drone Damage Amplifier II

You can fit any kind of guns you want.

Tank to taste, I suggest a Reactive Armor Hardener in the mix.

Jump when you land in the mission and engage with SENTRY DRONES ONLY when you come out of the jump.

Make sure to deliberately target frigates first.

If ships start getting too close, scoop your drones and MJD in another direction, preferably keeping yourself on-grid with your mission.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by the MJD and SENTRY DRONES.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#38 - 2013-07-17 17:27:57 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds.
So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones.
The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies.

So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die.


So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes.
So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
What?



CCP hates Gallente.....They are French after all.

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#39 - 2013-07-17 17:33:02 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

Method 2:
Fit several remote reppers
Deploy just sentries
Lock them all
Rep whichever ones catch aggro

Note: Even just one RR is good to carry, to fix drones that you fail to recall fast enough.

Method 3:

Bring friends. With 3 or more ships on the field drones rarely catch aggro.

This RR is banable by ccp.
You will get banned if you RR your drones:

read here:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/regarding-afk-complex-farming-1
http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2013-07-17 17:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Spc One wrote:
It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP.
Incorrect, because…
Quote:
Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?
…that's just nonsense. They're not, and your personal failure at using drones does not represent any kind of policy or design flaw on CCP's part.

So no, you're not asking a question (because the supposed “question” is unbelievably idiotic and completely disconnected from realitty) — you are simply whinging over your own inattentiveness and inability to play the game.

Quote:
This RR is banable by ccp.
No.