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Dev Blog: Rebalancing and Renaming Industrials

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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#101 - 2013-07-17 00:24:27 UTC
I'm sorry for not following the discussion etc

The only question I've got is:

Like with T2 cruisers being made slightly redundant by T1 cruiser changes, doesn't this set of changes make the T2 Industrials kind of redundant and overpriced for their 'roles'?

Perhaps if you could list the maximum cargo capacities (with full sets of expanders) for all the haulage types, and contrast that with the T2 haulers I'd comprehend better...

But right now, I'm feeling my rather pricey T2 rigged Occator and Viator just became rather obsolete... Or am I wrong?

Cheers.
Tiberius Mal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-07-17 01:38:24 UTC
and thus it was that the war was won. The Gallente, fielding fleets of drone spewing ASB + CAP booster/stable + Drone Damage Amplifying industrials did BLOT OUT THE SUNS and rain hell on their enemies...
stoicfaux
#103 - 2013-07-17 02:53:39 UTC
Is anyone, aside from industrial affectionados, actually going to call them by their names? Personally, I'm going with:
* Iteron I (or Small Iteron)
* Mineral Iteron
* PI Iteron
* Ore Iteron
* Badger II

I appreciate the effort in naming them, but... no.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#104 - 2013-07-17 03:49:12 UTC
Not a fan of renaming, but I'll adapt. Eventually Lol.

Remove standings and insurance.
Jennai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-07-17 05:00:37 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
WTF no. Bring back Badger Mk. II.


Badger 2 should be the one that keeps the name. if someone is talking about badgers, everyone assumes they mean Mk2 because the Mk1 is garbage.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#106 - 2013-07-17 06:13:43 UTC
Quoting this for future reference:

Zaknussem wrote:
Also, InterBus should have the haulers, not ORE.


ORE = Outer Ring EXCAVATIONS

Industrials don't do excavation, they haul stuff and that's where the InterBus comes in.

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#107 - 2013-07-17 06:22:08 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
If you don't have the resources to do something correctly the first time, then don't waste time on it till you do.


If the human race had followed that rule we would still live in caves.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#108 - 2013-07-17 06:54:33 UTC
New roles are great, and the names as well! Good job Cool

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#109 - 2013-07-17 08:56:40 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Is anyone, aside from industrial affectionados, actually going to call them by their names? Personally, I'm going with:
* Iteron I (or Small Iteron)
* Mineral Iteron
* PI Iteron
* Ore Iteron
* Badger II

I appreciate the effort in naming them, but... no.




PieTeron.(Cherry?)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2013-07-17 09:28:32 UTC
Excellent.

You are now my number one CCP Dev after the horrible fall of CCP Fozzie from 1st place.

There can be only ONE.

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Kniht
#111 - 2013-07-17 09:34:09 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
(lots and lots of spew)


How do I block you on the forums?

o/ fly crazy
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#112 - 2013-07-17 09:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So what about the special edition industrials, e.g. Iteron Mk IV Quafe Ultra Edition? Will they have their legacy names or will they all be "Miasmos Quafe Ultra Edition", "Miasmos Quafe Ultramarine Edition", etc.?

I'm really just curious, since I don't use industrials.

Sounds much more compelling it it would be kept as a Mark IV Quafe/??/?? - the Iteron V will be the only Iteron and my guess would be that item descriptions will perhaps reflect each of the former iterations being converted into something more specialized (~"the 3rd prototype by ... ended up as .."), so having a preserved special edition Mk IV almost makes it sound like some relic (think of it like having the Jesus fresco by Martinez before it's "restoration" - sorry for the terrible analogy, because i really really like the indy changes, but you get the idea)

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Photon Ceray
Palmyra Universal Enterprise
#113 - 2013-07-17 10:52:18 UTC
To be honest, t1 inudstrials aren't worthy of being named after greek gods and stuff, these names should be reserved for PVP ships.

Also, the names will create some confusion, especially for newer player.

It's fine giving them special names, but make the names more intuitive and related to what the ships do, because not all people read the dev blog and even those who did still don't know latin and will forget what the names stand for 10 mins after reading.

I hope you at CCP won't get stuck over the names of ships, that didn't take from the development budget - I hope, if it did then you need to hire me instantly and i'll be naming everything for you!.
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding
#114 - 2013-07-17 11:01:35 UTC
I really like these changes. Now lets hope these specialized bays are adequate to the task.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#115 - 2013-07-17 11:19:49 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterNick
The name changes are going to be a pain, and Battle Tayra just doesn't have the aliterative goodness, but first world problems, we'll get used to it.

I like the specialised bays, and anticipate coming up with a bait fit for the Itty 1 Pirate

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#116 - 2013-07-17 11:35:41 UTC
MisterNick wrote:
The name changes are going to be a pain, and Battle Tayra just doesn't have the aliterative goodness, but first world problems, we'll get used to it.

I like the specialised bays, and anticipate coming up with a bait fit for the Itty 1 Pirate


Of the Badger and Tayra, the Badger is the far superior battle hauler. So the Battle Badger isn't going anywhere.

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Claire Raynor
NovaGear
#117 - 2013-07-17 12:48:59 UTC
“CCP Rise, why are you balancing industrials, they are fine, go do something important like deleting falcons from the game (I kind of agree with you)”

Was this just a joke and the Falcon here is CCP Falcon - like the first few posts seemed to suggest - or is there a feeling that the Caldari Recon ship is OP and needs such significant change that it won't continue as we think of Falcons now? I'm kinda training up two characters to use Falcons at the moment :( . If Ewar is calmed down to the point where it's more effctive to just bring another combat ship. . . I'm just worried. I know a lot of people hate ECM drones too. If we are concerned that being silenced by ECM is frustrating because people just want to pew pew - so we see ECM as a frustrating mechanic - or just EWar in general - so make it much less potent - then I see a significant part of the game being wiped out so that all we have left is DPS vs Tank. I'm already seeing people complaining that damps and disruptors are OP because unlike ECM they don't have a chance to fail - but if we don't like ECM too. . .then that's bleak for anyone who likes and somewhat needs EWar to live in lo-sec. Or are we just concerned about the Falcon Hull being OP and ECM being OK?

Other than that worry I love the new ships :) .
Enilonee
#118 - 2013-07-17 12:49:19 UTC
Photon Ceray wrote:
To be honest, t1 inudstrials aren't worthy of being named after greek gods and stuff, these names should be reserved for PVP ships.

Also, the names will create some confusion, especially for newer player.

It's fine giving them special names, but make the names more intuitive and related to what the ships do, because not all people read the dev blog and even those who did still don't know latin and will forget what the names stand for 10 mins after reading.

I hope you at CCP won't get stuck over the names of ships, that didn't take from the development budget - I hope, if it did then you need to hire me instantly and i'll be naming everything for you!.


Please CCP, listen up!

Also rename the Caracal into "That Light Missile Cruiser" - I can't remember it's name for the life of me!
Valterra Craven
#119 - 2013-07-17 14:33:10 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
Quoting this for future reference:

Zaknussem wrote:
Also, InterBus should have the haulers, not ORE.


ORE = Outer Ring EXCAVATIONS

Industrials don't do excavation, they haul stuff and that's where the InterBus comes in.


Yeah because Caterpillar doesn't simultaneous make the dump trucks to move the ore that the excavators just pulled out of the ground... *eyeroll* (http://www.cat.com/cda/layout)

Digging up ore is pretty freakin pointless if you can't move it anywhere.
Valterra Craven
#120 - 2013-07-17 14:36:02 UTC
Kniht wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
(lots and lots of spew)


How do I block you on the forums?


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