EVE General Discussion

and this is not the worst use of isboxer (or equivalent)

it is now more and more used in pvp (say hello to the 1 man tornado sniper fleet), or the drop of several tempest all piloted by the very same person (ex: check purple for all the "lord XXX" toons, he's not the only one, but the one i came accross).

isboxer is clearly against eula, it is macro (because a program replicate your command X time)
and it is clearly giving an unfair advantage, cause without it, no way to pvp with more than 2 accounts (we are talking about 10+ account here)

bout multibox pvp, managing 2 account is really a pain, a 3rd can be used by some, but more is no question.

so clearly, CCP HAS to do something about it, so either they apply eula and ban isboxer and likes, or they include this function in eve, so everyone can use it

Poasting in a not-so-stealth "Isboxer!" thread.

good luck smartbombing skiffs..

like CCP never stated something was OK then removed it afterward......

wait a couple month, when everyone and his mother will be isboxing all over the place, wand we'll talk about that.

eula is eula, this is the founding contract between CCP and the players, and the document to refer to when in doubt.

the eula is stating clearly isboxer is NOT within it's line, and CCP interpretation is of no value in this case, no doubt is possible.
if they wanted to allow it, then the would state that multiboxing client is allowed within eula, but they do not, because in fact, a multiboxing engine and a fully automated bot is almost the same thing, in fact, it is just a different level of automation (take isboxer code, add 10 lines of code, and you now have a fully automated bot).

i did worked on solution to detect bots in some very popular games, and this require to understand how such piece of code works, and isboxer is a bot, a low capability one with restricted functions, but still a bot.

it does automatically replicate input to a game based on scripted actions (yes, replicating mouse click to X-Y for game one, then for game 2 etc... is scripted action).

and performing automated action based on trigger event (here the trigger is player click X-Y on master screen) is the definition of a bot.

so this solve the first point about 3rd party automated scripts

2nd, this gives unfair advantage over regular user.

let's picture a gate camp of 10 nados (this is a real example, wich happened we tested a few month ago on SISI to see by ourself how much of an advantage it gives).

1 player control them all

1st case: he uses isboxer, a tgt enter via his gate, he lock him with the whole 10 nado, and all 10 fire roughly at the same time => the sleipnir is dead

2nd case: same base, just no isboxer

how many tornado one player will be able to initiate lock and fire before the tgt warpout? 2-3, sometimes 4, clearly not ten

result: 1st case, sleipnir is dead, 2nd, he escape
conclusion: for the very same setup, isboxer gave this player an unfair advantage

ITT: OP gets lulzy mutliboxer kill, then e-lawyers appear to tell CCP how to interpret their EULA.

Protip, e-lawyers: ISBoxer means more accounts, which means more subs and PLEX demand, which means more profit for CCP. Until ISBoxer itself presents glaring issues, it's not going anywhere. Cash talks, and your bullshit walks.

Respect.

I'm sorry, but I just gotta call this out... Without miners, there wouldn't be any ships beyond the ****** rookie ships. :)

Anyway, OP, good job! Kill those macro-using bastards!

Hey, you ganked some miners. Gratz on that.

To bad you didn't leave it at that. It would have been a fine thread without the grand diatribe against multi-boxing thrown in.

But for whatever reason, you decided to take a perfectly good and fun gank and use it to push a flawed agenda. Don't justify what you did as 'saving the game for the rest of us'. You blew up some miners. Leave it at that and take your bow.

Respect minus 1

Mr Epeen

CCP's interpretation of their own eula is of no value. Ok, we have a foundation for your logic (wishful thinking)

Take EVE, add 10 lines of code, you have a bot.
Take Norton AV, add 10 lines of code, you have a virus spreading machine.
Take "Hello World", add 10 lines of code, you have a DOS attack.



Yes, it has bot capabilities from what I understand. It doesn't have to be used that way to use its other functions, and the use of them can be distinguished.

Farm equipment has the capability to kill someone.
Cars have murder capabilities.
Hell, water has murder capabilities.

Are they weapons of mass destruction?

Nope, not quite, it's just a lot of wishful thinking.

Guess what? Your operating system is a bot, and so are your mouse drivers. They are performing automated actions based on your trigger event.

Try again.

Unfair because you don't have the capability to do it without some *effort* on your part, right? Or just unfair because your practical sensibility refuses to pay $4.16 a month after already paying for your accounts? Or unfair because you want it to be unfair, regardless of what the real people in charge say?



Your 2nd case assumes stupidity on the multiboxer's part. (Which must be why he isn't using ISBoxer when it is perfectly legal currently)

Real 2nd case: 1 ship has tackle, ships 2-9 still get to fire, sleipnir is dead.

Conclusion: Lots of wishful thinking, no real arguments.

Forward the evidence he sent you to the Plex for Snitches program