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MasterDk78
Brotherhood of Blood and Steel
#1 - 2011-11-09 18:05:57 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterDk78
3 x flame warning will lead to 10 days ban ingame
Nothing wrong with being adult and show a little respect towards each other...

that would teach ppl to talk right to other people.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2011-11-09 18:41:47 UTC
While sometimes people could do with toning things down, often the people do deserve the derision that they receive. I think you need to learn that there are mean people online who don't have any issue making you cry. Once you learn not to let it get to you, you'll feel better.

Oh, and if you want people to take you seriously, you might want to use real words. THX is a sound company/standard and 'ppl' isn't a word at all. And check your capitalization, punctuation, and grammar while you're at it, they need work.
Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#3 - 2011-11-09 19:02:05 UTC
I agree with the original poster, though the specifics may be a bit too extreme. If you are loud, obnoxious and rude to other customers at a place of business, such as a restaurant or bar, the management will throw you out. Ideally, the same practice would apply to an online business like EVE.

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And check your capitalization, punctuation, and grammar while you're at it, they need work.


Ironically, the above is not a complete sentence. Also, a semicolon should appear before "they need work", not a comma.
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-11-09 19:56:13 UTC
Dutarro wrote:
I agree with the original poster, though the specifics may be a bit too extreme. If you are loud, obnoxious and rude to other customers at a place of business, such as a restaurant or bar, the management will throw you out. Ideally, the same practice would apply to an online business like EVE.

Quote:
And check your capitalization, punctuation, and grammar while you're at it, they need work.


Ironically, the above is not a complete sentence. Also, a semicolon should appear before "they need work", not a comma.



Well that would depend on what kind of "establishment" right?

I am sure if you cruise into a nice Biker Bar, and you complain to management that the big dude in the corner just stuffed three pool balls up your ass, I am pretty sure he would just wish a good day.

With that visual still ingrained in your head, the Biker Bar scenario parallels EvE pretty well...you think?
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-09 20:04:38 UTC
Okay, I can accept this only if 3 x petition complaining about how you're being treated results in the same 10 day in game ban. If words are bothering you that badly, you need a break anyway.
MasterDk78
Brotherhood of Blood and Steel
#6 - 2011-11-09 20:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Its in my oppenion we all meet here ast this specific topic coz we all have something in common.
To improve eve, with new exciting stuff.

Here we meet on mutual grounds to share each ideas.

To have the urge to leave an messagde like yours above has no place at all, other than strenghens my request that something must be done.


Someone mentioned something about a biker bar, seriusly, i am not the type of person that would go into an outlawed bikerbar to enjoy my self. coz they dont obey to the rules that was made to the world to make it a safe place to live.

Rules are ment to keep order, so i would really like to see a rule implementet here.

thx again
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2011-11-09 21:08:13 UTC
MasterDk78 wrote:
Someone mentioned something about a biker bar, seriusly, i am not the type of person that would go into an outlawed bikerbar to enjoy my self. coz they dont obey to the rules that was made to the world to make it a safe place to live.


You're in the wrong place then. EVE has more in common with a biker bar or "old-west" saloon than most other places.


MasterDk78 wrote:
Rules are ment to keep order, so i would really like to see a rule implementet here.


Yeah... you're new here. Or have been living under a rock. In EVE, rules are routinely "bent" and the mechanics allow you to use those same bent rules to get revenge. Twisted

How did you Veterans start?
Jita Alt666
#8 - 2011-11-09 21:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
You're trying to break the sandbox.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-09 21:28:02 UTC
As a paying subscriber i prefer have a game that is not littered with Trash. I am pro this point, though I think Progressive discipline is required.

There is a reason I live in the better part of town

Though maybe there should be a RED LIGHT district in eve where people can Flame, yell haterid at each other so I don't have to deal with it.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#10 - 2011-11-09 21:32:08 UTC
Quote:
I am sure if you cruise into a nice Biker Bar, and you complain to management that the big dude in the corner just stuffed three pool balls up your ass, I am pretty sure he would just wish a good day.

With that visual still ingrained in your head, the Biker Bar scenario parallels EvE pretty well...you think?


You are correct that EVE simulates a (mostly) lawless universe. If your mining barge is blown up by another player in low sec, for example, complaining to the GM's would find as little sympathy as the hypothetical biker bar owner.

Out-of-game behavior, however, is held to a different standard. Harassing another player or making extreme verbal attacks of a violent or sexual nature is already grounds for a ban according to CCP policy. Maybe all the OP is really asking for is better enforcement of the existing harassment policy.
Goose99
#11 - 2011-11-09 22:07:04 UTC
Dutarro wrote:
Quote:
I am sure if you cruise into a nice Biker Bar, and you complain to management that the big dude in the corner just stuffed three pool balls up your ass, I am pretty sure he would just wish a good day.

With that visual still ingrained in your head, the Biker Bar scenario parallels EvE pretty well...you think?


You are correct that EVE simulates a (mostly) lawless universe. If your mining barge is blown up by another player in low sec, for example, complaining to the GM's would find as little sympathy as the hypothetical biker bar owner.

Out-of-game behavior, however, is held to a different standard. Harassing another player or making extreme verbal attacks of a violent or sexual nature is already grounds for a ban according to CCP policy. Maybe all the OP is really asking for is better enforcement of the existing harassment policy.


A while back, some guy suicide ganked his roommate's pimpboat, and promptly received a punch in the piehole. The gankee was banned.Big smile
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#12 - 2011-11-10 00:19:58 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Dutarro wrote:
I agree with the original poster, though the specifics may be a bit too extreme. If you are loud, obnoxious and rude to other customers at a place of business, such as a restaurant or bar, the management will throw you out. Ideally, the same practice would apply to an online business like EVE.

Quote:
And check your capitalization, punctuation, and grammar while you're at it, they need work.


Ironically, the above is not a complete sentence. Also, a semicolon should appear before "they need work", not a comma.



Well that would depend on what kind of "establishment" right?

I am sure if you cruise into a nice Biker Bar, and you complain to management that the big dude in the corner just stuffed three pool balls up your ass, I am pretty sure he would just wish a good day.

With that visual still ingrained in your head, the Biker Bar scenario parallels EvE pretty well...you think?


Thank you kind sir for the laugh this post gave me.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#13 - 2011-11-10 00:25:23 UTC
MasterDk78 wrote:
TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:
MasterDk78 wrote:
3 x flame warning will lead to 10 days ban ingame
Nothing wrong with being adult and show a little respect towards each other...

that would teach ppl to talk right to other people.


AWWWW cant the little one take it

if you dont like the way people talk on these forums why dont you not come on the forums instead of crying your wittle eyes out

HTFU and uninstall eve your not cut out for it



Thank you.

Its in my oppenion we all meet here ast this specific topic coz we all have something in common.
To improve eve, with new exciting stuff.

Here we meet on mutual grounds to share each ideas.

To have the urge to leave an messagde like yours above has no place at all, other than strenghens my request that something must be done.


Someone mentioned something about a biker bar, seriusly, i am not the type of person that would go into an outlawed bikerbar to enjoy my self. coz they dont obey to the rules that was made to the world to make it a safe place to live.

Rules are ment to keep order, so i would really like to see a rule implementet here.

thx again


Rules are meant to be broken. As you continually like to point out with your spelling and grammar errors.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2011-11-10 00:57:42 UTC
MasterDk78 wrote:
3 x flame warning will lead to 10 days ban ingame
Nothing wrong with being adult and show a little respect towards each other...

that would teach ppl to talk right to other people.



Won't work.

Like the greifers, the smacktalkers will claim it's a game mechanic.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2011-11-10 06:07:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
MasterDk78 wrote:
3 x flame warning will lead to 10 days ban ingame
Nothing wrong with being adult and show a little respect towards each other...

that would teach ppl to talk right to other people.



Won't work.

Like the greifers, the smacktalkers will claim it's a game mechanic.




Define 'griefer'? I don't think it means what you think it means.
PhoenixDK
The Frontier
#16 - 2011-11-10 07:54:28 UTC
Quote:
4. Be respectful of others at all times.

The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.

5. Ranting is prohibited

A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.

6. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing “in character” disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.

20. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.


I have been looking at the rules of conduct and found some relevant sections viewed above. In this thread alone I recognize several violations of these rules, which indicate that OP's suggestion is an issue of relevance indeed. However, quite a lot of effort from the mods and a strict set of restrictions is required to implement a suggestion like this. Also a forum violation resulting in a temporary ban from the actual game is a serious penalty not to be taken lightly. A temporary ban from forum should be the first step, and then if the violator continue the inapropiate behaviour a temporary ban from game could be considered.
With this said, I support the OP. It is my opinion that many posters on these forums are inapropiately insulting when posting, which is unnecessary. There is nothing wrong in disagreeing, not at all, but it can be expressed with dignity and politeness in stead of being rude and insulting.
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#17 - 2011-11-10 09:10:37 UTC
It's called ["BLOCK"].
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2011-11-10 13:38:45 UTC
…but then I wouldn't have anyone left to argue with, since they'd fill up that quota in their first post. Cry
MasterDk78
Brotherhood of Blood and Steel
#19 - 2011-11-10 15:30:50 UTC
PhoenixDK wrote:
Quote:
4. Be respectful of others at all times.

The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.

5. Ranting is prohibited

A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.

6. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing “in character” disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.

20. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.


I have been looking at the rules of conduct and found some relevant sections viewed above. In this thread alone I recognize several violations of these rules, which indicate that OP's suggestion is an issue of relevance indeed. However, quite a lot of effort from the mods and a strict set of restrictions is required to implement a suggestion like this. Also a forum violation resulting in a temporary ban from the actual game is a serious penalty not to be taken lightly. A temporary ban from forum should be the first step, and then if the violator continue the inapropiate behaviour a temporary ban from game could be considered.
With this said, I support the OP. It is my opinion that many posters on these forums are inapropiately insulting when posting, which is unnecessary. There is nothing wrong in disagreeing, not at all, but it can be expressed with dignity and politeness in stead of being rude and insulting.



+1

thank you for pointing that out, very nice research !
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2011-11-10 19:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
MasterDk78 wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Actually this could be applied to any part of the forum and would essentially nuke it.

I am thinking half the Dev's that post would get banned.


if it where to be implementet from now on, maybe people would behave.


No. It would force people to be more... creative... with their language so they could deny any wrongdoing (see: "plausible deniability").

edit: I should also add... my personal preference is for people to talk bluntly and honestly. "Being polite" and/or "behaving" for the sake of preserving peoples' egos just gets in the way of "getting to the point/heart of the matter" (as most "social niceties" do).
Now granted... there is a limit to how far you can take this... but it should be taken on a case by case basis (it isn't hard to see a "conversation" that has gone beyond mere "flaming").

How did you Veterans start?
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