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Large Weapons Tracking Frigates - Oracle

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-09 12:02:56 UTC
So with the coming of the new battlecruisers, I have been looking for ways to make use of those majestic ships, specifically the Oracle, in environments other than PVP. The tried and tested nullsec belt ratting came to mind, but an important problem came up.

Sure, cruiser size+ should be melting under the large lasers, but what about frigates? More specifically, scram elite frigates? Those can be a real pain if not dealt with, and can potentially trap the ship.

I'll admit I honestly have little to no idea how this " transversal" thing works, and how it helps (if it actually does that) in hitting small targets with large weapons.

As I mentioned before, I'm planning to use the Oracle. Now, the short range turret variant naturally has more tracking, in this case large pulse lasers, so they are a natural choice to address the frig tracking problem. However, I'm not convinced that they can track fast enough to kill any elite scramming frig. I've even tried to come up with a fit that boosts tracking, but I still remain skeptical. I am also unsure of how the notorious Scorch crystals can aid in this.


So, how exactly can I do a good job in tracking and killing elite frigs with large pulse lasers?




tl;dr advice on oracle tracking elite frigs, how can transversal help with that, are large pulses actually a good choice for that, how does scorch L help with this?

Ty
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-09 12:16:34 UTC
battleship sized weapons will be largely be useless against a frigate, use drones against the frigate

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Aamrr
#3 - 2011-11-09 12:17:45 UTC
The Oracle does not get drones.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-11-09 12:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
then you're screwed

i dunno

how about three target painters and three webs

that might work :p

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-09 12:50:47 UTC
land on grid -> move away from rats -> shoot frig's first -> orbit BS to finnish -> ? -> profit

No Worries

Cunane Jeran
#6 - 2011-11-09 13:14:35 UTC
If rails can nail at frig at 30km I'm sure a laser can, just make sure you warp in at a good distance and attack them first.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#7 - 2011-11-09 14:07:41 UTC
When you are talking about elite frigs I suppose you want to PvE with it? I can tell you that it wont work in an environment where frigs are present, you WILL get scrambled or webbed at some point and then youre screwed. I still remember laughing at somebody in local long ago where he sat in a battleship in a mission and forgot to bring drones. Was fun times.

Those ships are meant for PvP only. They require large guns and once you are done with that training, you are only 4 days or so away from racial BS IV. This gives you a vastly improved tank and drones. Save yourself the hassle.
Songbird
#8 - 2011-11-09 14:30:37 UTC
the only PVE I can see for these is the incursions , if you wanna track these frigs you gotta double or triple web them
Aamrr
#9 - 2011-11-09 14:38:38 UTC
i think they're going to be too fragile for incursions. Very low hitpoint count, not enough grid to fit much in the way of extenders or plates, and no T2 resists. You're going to remove any gank potential they might have had when you try to get them to survive.

Just my perception, anyway.
Songbird
#10 - 2011-11-09 15:13:24 UTC
with implants and t2 trimarks I could get 16k armor alone on the oracle - admittedly if you have the moneys for high grade slaves you wouldn't be flying a BC, but still ... and the 'nado is shield , all you need is a shield extender and AC's already track good.

Just put some blink-blink and it will tank like a champ, hell with the large hybrid turrets changed the naga and talos might be pretty win too.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#11 - 2011-11-09 15:55:18 UTC
I don't know, since you're not in High Sec, smarties maybe? That and a web to go along with your kiting might work.

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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-09 16:11:58 UTC
I tried the Naga w/ a sniper setup (230km range just w/ Spike and nothing else...lol). Thing to do is:

Land > MWD on > fly away > orbit at 200 > plink frigs (insta- or 2volley-pop).

I can easily see small gangs of these thing absolutely destroying some of the lighter plexes. You really don't need a tank if you're 150+ km away and nothing can hit you!

As for belt ratting: land at 100km, and follow instructions above.

Its fun, takes a little patience and at the very least is something different than the Drake...which is win for me!


Ced

Cedric

Alexandria Aesirial
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2011-11-09 17:47:19 UTC
I tried a tachyon fit on sisi that can hit things pretty well from 100 to 150kms so all you need do is warp in at 100kms, MWD away if need be and ****. You shouldn't have any problem with tanking so I'll fit nanos and poly rigs for max speed and agility.

It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp.

TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-11-09 18:17:11 UTC
If you MUST use it for pve then you will need a tracking computer or two and a web
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-09 18:47:57 UTC
I did some belt ratting in the oracle. Just warp in at range and hit the frigs first. Can't remember the exact fit but something like use full rack mega pulse, plate, think it was 1600, damage control, medium armor rep. I think I had to put a ancill rig in though. Never had to use the armor rep. On the weekend I will go and try some easy anom's.. sansha den's etc.
I also tried the Naga, was a bit slower but could at least hit the frigs when they got close, but at 3 volleys from 8 torps.. not that practical.
So as mentioned, keep range and it is a great belt ratter, if it works out ok on the anoms you find with the ship scanner, those you find without probe's, I may retire my geddon.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-09 18:55:13 UTC
Best point to mention is that it does Tier 3 battleship damage (or more?) at a price probably less than Tier 1 BS. Their strength will definitely be in their range and speed. Hopefully CCP will see the opportunity in this and get rid of the on grid probing mechanic and now we'll really have some interesting snipering going on. Can't wait for winter to hi!

Cedric

Raven Ether
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-11-09 19:44:27 UTC
Thank you for your replies everyone.


Indeed, I wish to use a tier 3 battlecruiser to try something new. Heavy missiles make me want to tear my **** out of boredom (btw what's happening with actual missile launchers and new missile effects CCP?)




Thank you for your advice, it seems using the long range tactic is the way to go.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-11-10 03:11:01 UTC
Duel webs, a TP, Target Enhancers, Tracking Computers... all of these will help... shooting Frigs with BS guns is a challenge becuase low sig and high speed... You can mitigate some of the issues by hitting them on approach when they have to close with you but once they are inside of 5km you'll need to web them and use some sort of tracking enhancement to hit them. Also Pulse Lasers are the only things that will work, Beams are too darn slow.

Bottom line.. its doable, bout you're going to have to sacrifice, tank and/or DPS to do it...

Like everything in EVE... its about the trade offs and what you're willing to live without...

That being said, everything about the T3 BCs says to me.. PVP.. Small gang.. this ship cannot fight solo and is not meant for PVE... lots of folks are going to lose them finding this out.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
stoicfaux
#19 - 2011-11-10 03:53:12 UTC
Didn't someone say that NPCs are affected by PC EWAR? Meaning, if you jam/scram them, the NPC "flees." If that's true, pop them while they're fleeing.

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