Ships & Modules

Hi Ive recently gotten a tengu and i was wondering is my fit good enough to solo run lvl 4 missions comfortably and what skill do i need to improve on.

Thanks for the help

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ian_Hume

My fit

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Thanks.

Is the fit itself ok or should I redo it?

The Tengu doesn't passive-tank anywhere near as well as the Drake
The Defensive: Adaptive Shielding subsystem is much more suited to a shield-spider tanking build, a gang/fleet build

The Drakes passive tank works well because of 2 things
the large amount of shield hp
the high value in shield recharge rate

your fit has a very low shield recharge rate (12-13 hp/s)

your DPS will suffer against frigates, especially against elite frigates
as there are either no rigor/flare rigs installed, nor is there a target painter & webbifier combo instead

consider switching to ->

Defensive: Amplification Node
Engineering: Augmented Capacitor

which will will give you the following changes

Lows: -1
Mids: +1
Highs: +1 Launcher Hardpoint

6 launchers is much more DPS

then you have a choice on shield boosting style
single small booster, dual small booster, medium booster, or large/XL booster (which will need a slightly different subsystem layout)
add rat specific hardners
keep the AB (or up it to a 100mn AB, which will mean a slightly different subsystem layout again)
add a TP or TP & Web or 1-2 shield boost amplifiers

if you use rigor/flare rigs you wont especially need the TP and web, as fury ammo is then generaly adequate
if you add tp & web then you want to use precision ammo on anything smaller than a BC .. and then switch to faction/fury ammo for BC/BS sized targets

Advice for lvl 4's? Get a better ship unless you are focusing on blitzing kinetic weak missions.

Sell it and buy one of atleast 10 ships that are cheaper and better at level 4s

dont be bad and fly a tengu for high sec level 4s

get a proper ship.

TBH you are going to take some level of abuse here on the Tengu regardless.

Is it good for this in HS, yes, are there better boats, yes.

The standard list is;

- Mach
- Raven NI
- Nightmare
- Scorpion NI
- Rattlesnake
- Domi/Navy Domi

However, if you are like me, they are all battleships and I don't like how slow they are.

So, if you are not blitzing, here are some options that I have used;

- Drake (of course)
- Cerberus
- Ishtar or now the Navy Vexor


I prefer using cruisers and speed tanking.

Just curious why that is? Why folks say Tengu for null and BS for high?

Mainly due to manoverabilty and the ability to fit a covert ops and nullification subsystem. You will want this if you run into bubbles in null. However, the DPS is so horribly gimped when you run both of them that it really quite horrible.

I tend to opt for lower cost stuff that I dont care if it dies (and it will). The Tengu option is just too costly for me to use all that much. For others its the only way to go cause they got ISK to spare.

I am finding AF's and HAC's to be my flavor of the day for this.

[Tengu, Cheapo T3]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


This is a bit slowish (650m/s) but delivers enough pain with rage at 41km (890dps) and 75km Javelin (600dps) if T2 rigs
Not a very expensive ship to fly, not as effective as a Mack or Vindicator but half price (-around 850M all fitted) and good enough imho.