Ships & Modules

I don't think you understand how this "trick" truly works, so let me explain it.

You can't go by that 16s align time because that's assuming you had your MWD on the whole time until you enter warp. Your ship moves faster with an MWD on, but accelerates to its top speed slower than it would without it on because turning on prop mods increases your ship's mass (which in turn, with your inertia modifier, controls your acceleration rate). This is why when you turn on prop mods in EFT, your align time increases.

To enter warp all you need is for your velocity vector to be pointing in the direction you intend to warp, and for your ship's speed to be at least 75% of your top speed when you click the warp button.

When you do the cloak-mwd-align trick from a standstill, your ship instantly will start moving in the direction you are aligning to regardless of its displayed orientation. All you need to concern yourself with is that your ship's speed while cloaked must be at least 75% of your top speed while decloaked. You want to try entering warp as soon as the MWD finishes its cycle because after that instant, your top speed suddenly drops but your ship hasn't decelerated to match that new, lower top speed. You're already pointing in the right direction so you'll enter warp the instant you decloak and click the warp button.

So really, the only function that could be implemented in EFT is for it to calculate if your cloaked, MWD-on speed will be 75% of your decloaked, MWD-off speed after 10 seconds. It'd be a cool feature but it's not hard to try this stuff out on SiSi or TQ.

Actually, the reason it's different is because of gatecloak. If you try to do the MWD + Cloak trick from anywhere except out of gatecloak it actually will not work in a slow-aligning ship.

When you are under gatecloak your ship is, as far as the game is concerned, not pointed in ANY direction. As a result, you instantly align to the first thing you tell your ship to move towards. Since you're instantly aligned, all you need to enter warp is 75% of max speed, which is why the MWD + Cloak trick works, and also why you can use webs to instawarp freighters from gate cloak.

When people talk about being passively alligned they generally mean alligned to something at a low speed so getting up to 75% takesl less time than it would at a standstill/moving in another direction.

Some ships do have a problem with the MWD+cloak trick, but it is like others have said not as simple as comparing align times to 10 seconds.

It is about the speed your ship will have after 10 seconds with MWD. This speed needs to be 75% of your ship's base speed.

EFT cannot tell you what your ship's speed after 10 seconds will be. It can only tell you the time it needs to reach 75% of your top speed.

Wrong, goon.

In 7 years of playing I've never seen this once. Maybe it's done in NPC null or contested null, but it sure isn't done in high.



This, definately this.

Holy crap I'm more confused than ever before. I was just trying to see why my MWD or AB wouldn't work with the cloak I was using. I believe the "GO TRY IT IN THE GAME" part was probably the best recommendation.

In a somewhat related topic, anyone know of a corporation that is centered around destroying gate campers? That sounds like fun and and good way to get some revenge.

The 10 second rule is for using an MWD cycle to reduce your align time. It only works if your align time without an MWD is higher than 10 seconds, because the MWD cycle lasts 10 seconds. If it's naturally less than 10 seconds, you're better off keeping your MWD off.

very interesting

• the miner webs idea is excellent for multiboxing