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WOW "suspect" -level = podable in secure space

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-13 10:44:04 UTC
"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."

Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-07-13 11:00:26 UTC
Yavanni wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You've always been poddable in highsec, being suspect just increases the chance of it happening.


being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things.



Indeed but this is good, very good as change. You will find out why at some point.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-07-13 11:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Yavanni wrote:
So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.


To be a criminal is being a pro at it. Weak kneed opportunists need not apply. Gangbangers are nothing, it's the Al Capones and Godfathers that get the notoriety...as they pick challenging targets and truly willing to risk it all.

So if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-07-13 11:13:55 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally Big smile *slowclap*


Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

As someone who has worked in prisons I can tell you Id rather be dead. The luxery thing is horsecrap, rightwing propaganda. prisons are pure hell which is why so many suicides occur in them.

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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#25 - 2013-07-13 11:14:01 UTC
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-07-13 11:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Willie Horton
Yavanni wrote:
This seems WAY over the top to me.


It is fine for rest of EVE players .If you used a bit of time to see how crime watch is working you would not make this post now.
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#27 - 2013-07-13 11:39:23 UTC
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-13 11:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Kal'orr
It's a good idea to read up on the rules before you break them.
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
#29 - 2013-07-13 16:15:30 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally Big smile *slowclap*


Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.


And I thought it was only like this in the USA. Sorry to hear that Belgium has gone the way of the pampered perpetrator as well.
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
#30 - 2013-07-13 16:18:53 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally Big smile *slowclap*


Being a thief used to be an honest profession. The only ones who could attack you were the copr members of the capsuleer from whom you stole. There must have been so many and loud whiners among the victims of thieves (or more likely, among gankers who were getting their ill-gotten loot stolen) that they pressured CCP into making theives vulnerable to attack the same as only assassins used to be. Way over the top, imho.
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
#31 - 2013-07-13 16:20:29 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."

Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it.


most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
#32 - 2013-07-13 16:21:42 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Yavanni wrote:
So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.


To be a criminal is being a pro at it. Weak kneed opportunists need not apply. Gangbangers are nothing, it's the Al Capones and Godfathers that get the notoriety...as they pick challenging targets and truly willing to risk it all.

So if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


best response so far. thanks for your input.
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
#33 - 2013-07-13 16:22:55 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/

Read up


I was ooking for something in the EVElopedia, thanks.
Arec Bardwin
#34 - 2013-07-13 16:34:17 UTC
Yavanni wrote:

most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.
In your opinion. There was almost no uproar in the forums because of this particular change.
Mr Mutombo
Zulu Uprising
#35 - 2013-07-13 16:46:17 UTC
Link the shiny implant km
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#36 - 2013-07-13 17:08:46 UTC
Yavanni wrote:
So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.



You can't grief without consequences? That is appalling! Shocked

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2013-07-13 17:28:30 UTC
The good news is that you can gank people in low-sec now and then just jump into high-sec like a boss. No Concord. Only players will be able to shoot you, and they probably won't if you're in a decent PVP boat.

The bad news is that if you have a bounty, high-sec pilots get to reap the benefits of your PVP prowess by activating the bounty and killing you in high-sec while you're piloting a ship that's not for PVP, such as a hauler or a shuttle. Since activating a bounty means the victim goes "Suspect" against their will, the victim of an activated bounty can be safely podded in high-sec now, too.

So now, PVP has consequences that don't make any sense whatsoever.

After all, if people in high-sec wanted to experience the consequences of low-sec PVP, they'd actually be there doing it instead of waiting around like vultures in total safety.

Not that I've thought this through or anything.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-07-13 17:41:40 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
The good news is that you can gank people in low-sec now and then just jump into high-sec like a boss. No
Concord. Only players will be able to shoot you, and they probably won't if you're in a decent PVP boat.


Unless you podkill in lowsec, which gives you criminal flag and gets you concorded should you enter HS.

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The bad news is that if you have a bounty, high-sec pilots get to reap the benefits of your PVP prowess by activating the bounty and killing you in high-sec while you're piloting a ship that's not for PVP, such as a hauler or a shuttle. Since activating a bounty means the victim goes "Suspect" against their will, the victim of an activated bounty can be safely podded in high-sec now, too.


That is completely wrong. The bounty has nothing to do with who can or cannot legally attack you. You got killrights and bounty messed up I guess. You get a killright against you if you: Unlawfully agress in highsec (ship or pod) or unlawfully agress a pod in lowsec. If you keep your safety on yellow you will never get a killright against you.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-07-13 18:06:59 UTC
Yavanni wrote:
So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.


Don't steal vile criminal. Big smile

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-07-13 18:27:57 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally Big smile *slowclap*


Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

As someone who has worked in prisons I can tell you Id rather be dead. The luxery thing is horsecrap, rightwing propaganda. prisons are pure hell which is why so many suicides occur in them.


The criminal did something the country consider illegal. Why should the same country then protect his right?