Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm sure there's a place for Supers and Titans. Maybe if they increased the cost of Supercarriers 4x and titans by 2x, and gave Titans a buff that would make them super rare yet justified for the price? Supers are too cheap.

The cost really isn't the limiting factor. It's the fact that Eve is an over-time game combined with the fact that Super fleets--like those famed ones PL likes to drop--just don't get "used up." So, you have a situation where, over time, alliances build supers and distribute them with very little attrition. Without attrition, the game begins to suffer the sort of "supercap overpopulation" problem that its facing now.

I hate to say that arbitrary limits are the solution, but they are one possible solution. Limit the amount of Supers that are available in a battle, and one side may drop theirs, knowing that the maximum opposing force (supplied by supers) will be limited. I know there's a similar thought to wormhole space battles in that we know the maximum number of Dreads/Carriers that could theoretically be brought by one side or another, and knowing that risk helps us to decide to risk assets (since it's not just going to be an automatic wipe-fest).

Other than some spur to start super attrition, there's really nothing to stop the constant build-up and disuse of them. Hence, some sort of limit (cyno/jump bridge) limits would at least be somewhat effective, at least until an actual rebalance pass on supers can be made. And please no one think that I'm trying to limit the sizes of fights, since you can jump in all the subcaps you want the old fashioned way through a gate.

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Think it would be much cooler to see varieties of standard capitol ships and dreads than Titan/Scaps.

I would just say that the Titan/Scap hulls could be scaled down and reapplied for other on-the-field roles (literally, the visual hulls so they are not just "deleted" from the game). There are a lot of creative people who had posted things like Scout Carriers etc, too. Heck, maybe we could see Science Carriers and other whatnots too.

But yes, I think it would be a smart move. It is pretty much so that anybody who has more superduper ship wins - if we could break that ice and somehow spread the power across the board of new Dreads/Carriers, the territorial gameplay could become more interesting rather than just tossing in the few yet overpowered vessels.

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Exactly.
Money is not a problem for any the big alliances. No matter how high the costs, people will get them sooner or later.

While I favor the "power to the little people in lowsec" part, I'd rather see the removal - and revamp'ed if possible. Hopefully once tiericide hits the big ones, we will really get to see some significant changes.

(@ original post) Hm, I'm working on a set of changes that would fix a lot of stuff ((a) boring structure shooting, (b) instapopping being all the fleet commander facilitates with some small unit-specific roles sprinkled on top, (c) not being able to feel like you're putting up a fight when dropped by huge fleets (you want to go out in a blaze of glory where you feel you did more than most would be able to), (d) active tanks having so low buffers they pop before the second and third rep cycle hits, and (e) the inherent SP cap which often has old players training stuff they won't really use while (f) the new players have a year of capacitor cap, capacitor recharge, shield HP, armor HP, agility, hull HP, etc, to train before they get properly competitive in whatever ship they wish to fly, and (g) also people are carbon-copies of each other because everyone has the same skills. Having everyone be the same is a lame but easy way to balance the game, but there are other options).
Good games from real life allows players to adjust in accordance with conditions, this is what I want to incorporate into Eve.
I'll spend a few days thinking about this problem also to see if I can incorporate something that fixes it in my set of changes.
But could you come with some specific points which are the problems with Titans and supercarriers? Others are welcome to add points also.

If you remove the Super part from them they would be ok to keep in game.
Basically nerf the EHP down to standard capital levels, remove the invulnerability to E-war, reduce the price and construction time, just all around bring them down to normal capital levels.

Add a mobile cyno jammer to titans.
Make it similar to the one for FW where it cant be constant thus titans will be committed to fights as there is less fear of "escalation", so then you kill them by having enough on grid to kill them before the cyno jammer finishes.

Or for real fun, make the pos fuel idea true but when it runs out boom! the self destruct is activated and you better have some more fuel!
Suddenly the proliferation slows as now you have to make sure they are fed, at a rate I would say equal to 100 blocks an hour.

Honestly, the best argument for removing Supers was the recent grind accomplished by PL, Nulli and NC. after losing their renters sov. Less than 2 days and they ground 200+ systems due to the use of supers.





I agree that cutting their EHP would be a good start as well as their ecm invulnerability and while I was reading this forum I thought of, what if you limited any Titan and Supers jump ability to only systems you own SOV in as well as a limit on the number in a given system. 1 maybe 2 titans to a system and less than 10 total supers at any given time. With the EHP nerf and ecm vulnerability that makes fleets of subcaps able to kill the bigger ships. The SOV ownership issue would affect low sec, but I really do not see why they need to be there either. You have to own SOV to build them, why not restrict them solely to Null and limit how many can be in any specific location at all times.

An invading group would have to establish a beachhead with subcaps if they want to bring in their supers and titans which require them taking control of a specific system with TCU's and or SBU's. Add some more mechanics to also not make the new features to benefit one side or the other. Titans and Supers would then be a limited defenses tool only.

These ideas are very very preliminary and are designed to be expanded on and /or reworked from this forums contributors.

cyno jammers cut both ways and prevent all reinforcements.
Of course if you happen to have a hic and a fleet....
But yeah the idea is embolden the pilots so they come out more, right now deaths canbe attributed to awoxing and really not much else, there is no screw it send in the supers as with bcs and even t3s instead you have people utterly freaked at the concept of putting them in anything but we win or leave there is no die
also what game?

Oh, what's that? You spent how many years hoarding all of that Tech ISK and you still can't achieve supercap superiority over Pandemic Legion and Northern CoalitionDOT in the Fountain War? Too bad, so sad. Maybe you should use your supers once in a while and you wouldn't have people unsubbing their titans/supers due to sheer boredom.

Name three people that actually matter and quote where they said this. :allears: