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Members of the New Order should be banned!

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2013-07-12 16:44:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#62 - 2013-07-12 16:44:41 UTC
New Order attempting to become relevant again? Oops

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2013-07-12 16:45:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

That's what I hear every time someone complains about ganking in highsec.



The last thing this is about is ganking.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-07-12 17:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.


Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage).

Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players (my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known.

Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward??? 2mil ship kills a 40mil ship and that's risk when CONCORDed???

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#65 - 2013-07-12 17:42:23 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.


Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage).

Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players (my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known.

Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward???

Fine, go back to WoW then, you obviously don't like it here, so why stay?

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#66 - 2013-07-12 17:45:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.

So?
Take prudent precautions, then ignore him.

'Problem' solved.
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#67 - 2013-07-12 17:58:54 UTC
Quote:
Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module


Actually, it's designed for whatever you want to put in it, no one forces you to put a survey module in.

...
Kirtar Makanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-07-12 18:01:44 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.


Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage).

Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players (my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known.

Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward??? 2mil ship kills a 40mil ship and that's risk when CONCORDed???

What's your point? My support/defensive elementalist in GW2 has more offensive power than a logistics ship. That doesn't mean that logistics ships should gain more offensive power. EVE has a level of specialization that isn't exactly present in other MMOs. Making comparisons to other games isn't really valid.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#69 - 2013-07-12 18:04:50 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Q 5 wrote:
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.


Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!

They can police themselves.

But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots.

Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats.

The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up?


Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module. And depending on the system, and the usual ganker dessie with Ions, that's not long if he hits hard before EWAR intervenes. A typical Retriever has a tad over 2000 shields, which Ions slice through.

So efforts to "teach" miners about evading damage even falls short without the defenses and offenses.

Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there.

When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming. P ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#70 - 2013-07-12 18:05:50 UTC
Kirtar Makanen wrote:

What's your point? My support/defensive elementalist in GW2 has more offensive power than a logistics ship. That doesn't mean that logistics ships should gain more offensive power. EVE has a level of specialization that isn't exactly present in other MMOs. Making comparisons to other games isn't really valid.

It's Ace, comparisons to WoW are the norm, logical or otherwise.

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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-07-12 18:08:19 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...")


Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#72 - 2013-07-12 18:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Plastic Psycho wrote:

Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there.

When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming. P ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge.


Better yet, mine in a Procuror, fit tank and a survey scanner (handy for annoying the hell out of those that blindly mine until the roid pops), as for Aces "post", it's the normal "my X in WoW is so much better than Y in Eve"

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#73 - 2013-07-12 18:19:08 UTC
Whelp, the New Order weren't getting any forum attention, so they used one of their alts to start a thread to get them more attention.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-07-12 18:31:15 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...")


Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem.


PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses.

Even WoW gets that right in a PvE game.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#75 - 2013-07-12 18:34:12 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.



The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen

Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.

He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.

DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.

All are in NPC Corps.

So?
Take prudent precautions, then ignore him.

'Problem' solved.


Welp, there really isn't any ignoring him as his alpha-bump knocks a Hulk 55Km from any belt. lol. And he doesn't stop. And he won't talk (as explained above).

I ignore him by doing my business elsewhere. Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2013-07-12 18:36:49 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses.
…and the Retriever has both of those.
What it lacks is combat ability, but that's not really a problem either since that's not what it's for.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#77 - 2013-07-12 18:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...")


Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem.


PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses.

Even WoW gets that right in a PvE game.


Yes, and someone in a Mining Barge has chosen to abandon those defenses in favor of increasing the amount of money they make.

It's a tradeoff they made in exchange for losing safety. How is this so hard to understand?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-07-12 18:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
SmokinDank wrote:
Quote:
Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module


Actually, it's designed for whatever you want to put in it, no one forces you to put a survey module in.


Nor does anyone force the criminal to put guns in his turrets. Idea

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#79 - 2013-07-12 18:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:

Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there.

When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming. P ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge.


Better yet, mine in a Procuror, fit tank and a survey scanner (handy for annoying the hell out of those that blindly mine until the roid pops), as for Aces "post", it's the normal "my X in WoW is so much better than Y in Eve"

Truth.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
SmokinDank wrote:
Quote:
Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module


Actually, it's designed for whatever you want to put in it, no one forces you to put a survey module in.


Nor does anyone force the criminal to put guns in his turrets. Idea

True, but pointless.
None of us 'criminals' are complaining about the guns on our ships. Except maybe that they're not quite as ridiculously large as we'd like.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#80 - 2013-07-12 18:45:39 UTC
Is it really only 10 mil a year? That seems like an awesome deal.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam.