Ships & Modules

o7,

So, here's the exact scenario. Going to be using a Zealot in a C2 wormhole to clear sleeper sites. Got a pretty good fit with a good balance of speed/tank/DPS together so far.

Should I fit a tracking computer with speed script, or a stasis web to hit sleeper frigates? I'll be using cruiser sized guns (obviously).

Also, any advice on how close the sleeper frigs will come to me? Do they throw damage out while sitting outside of web range?

Thanks.

Keep in mind that the above numbers only hold for webs if the source of all of the angular velocity is the target. While I agree in this case (assuming the frigs are at <10km) a web is probably better, you usually cannot just say that a web is effectively a 60% tracking speed boost unless you are perfectly stationary.

Congratulations on completely missing the point.

TCs can actually help you against a stationary target, if you're orbiting it. Webs, however, won't.

No, you don't.

If you are orbiting a stationary target, your angular velocity contributes to your Transversal Speed, which in turn contributes to your chances to hit.

Please stop posting pretending you know when you don't Whitehound, it is getting boring correcting you the whole time.

See http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage if you don't believe me.

More specifically:

Transversal speed is the absolute speed (in meters/second) at which you and your target are moving in a plane perpendicular to the line joining your ship center to the center of the target. In short, transversal velocity is the velocity component that changes the angle to your target. Two ships chasing each other in a straight line or heading straight at each other would have this number be zero. The smaller this number, the better your chance to hit will be.

Chris is right and YOU are wrong (again).

If you are orbiting them they do.

Read it again.

Transversal speed is the absolute speed (in meters/second) at which you and your target are moving in a plane perpendicular to the line joining your ship center to the center of the target.

I couldn't care less what the overview says.

I know how the to-hit formula works.

Both the attacker and the targets velocity are part of the calculation, as I have stated multiple times.

If you are orbiting a stationary target, your velocity contributes to the transversal velocity.

This is a fact.

once again Whitehounds hits a wide out when talking game mechanics.

DUH!

Transversal is bad to work with. Stick angular velocity on yer overview and see what happens.

AS angular velocity is measured in rads/s (oh look it exactly the same as weapon tracking!) you'll see that if you orbit a stationary target you have a high angular and can easily miss cos your guns don't track!

Eve is not physics! in eve you ship is nothing more than a point in space with a vector value. The vector values of you v your target give you the angular velocity and that compare to your turret tracking to see if you hit you target. Go do some reading this has been covered a gazzilion times!

I had to test this since i always thought that the angular/transversal columns were empty on stationary targets.
So i undocked, orbited station, angular/transversal showed nothing.
Dropped can, orbited, again nothin on angular/transversal.
I tried with sentrydrone, and orbiting that did show angular/transversal, i guess its not "real" stationary.
Same with stationary ship, transversal/angular were affected by my movement around the target.

There are Stationaries and stationaries in EVE i guess

All the arguments about transversal and shite are completly invalid to the OPs request.

Transversal is generally a bad thing to look at as it is used to work out the actual number that means something (angular velocity) so unless you can do very quick angular velocity calcs in your head just stick it on your hud FFS. if it's small than you tracking stats on your turrets you know your guns can track it easily and all you need to worry about from then on is range application.

Upon looking at this further I think WH has a point. A can or something that is truely stationary will be hit (ie. not affected by tracking issues) actual dmaage applied will still be affected by range though. but is something as just a fraction of speed then the whole thing becomes a lot more difficult hence the thing with the can v sentry drones (that drift ever so slowly)


But back to the OP

If you can kill the frig before they get within 10-13km then TC will help more. if they get within 10-13km then a web will help to kill them quicker.

Personally I'd work to keep them at range and blap them before they get close then you can swap scripts on the TC to increase your optimals once frigs are gone to aid in damage application to the cruisers+

Just did this with my combat toon in a Mach with 800mm ACs and an alt in a shuttle. Warped to safespot, alt is sitting at 0 m/s velocity, started duel.

First I orbited the shuttle in the Mach at 13 km and opened fire. That's my usual orbit distance when fighting BS sized NPCs, since it gives just enough distance for angular to drop to a reasonable level. All shots at the shuttle missed for going on ~30 seconds (a little surprising, since the angular was about half of the 0.06 rad/s tracking on this ship).

Hit keep at distance (set by default to my falloff range of 50km), angular drops to near 0, shuttle pops.

Test concluded.