Wormholes

That would make T3 OP actually. The T3 shouldn't be better than T2 logi at being a logi ship.

I always believed that a t3 should be weaker than a t2 for the specifick task that the t2 was build for, but however the ability and customization options to combine two tasks of two different t2 (but again customization comes at a price).

It could cloaky logi, or scanning dps or whatever. But somehow a t2 should be better for what it was build.

Cloaky T3 with Logi range? You don't see a problem with that? No, it doesn't need a range boost. It is fine as it is right now.

Yep your right it's perfectly fine, it's not like it's a completely underused sub or anything

Cant be having that now can we! btw check this out

Here is what I don't get.

At the present time 0,0 has more different doctrines going on then I have ever seen, truly there is Tier3 doctrine BS doctrine, talwars, T3 alpha. It really is a hop skotch of doctrines Which to me is CCP achieving a great balance already.

If T3 was so damn OP then you would ONLY see T3 used but you don't. Because they have balanced T3 in skill loss and in other drawbacks. The only ship that frankly isn't used much anymore are the Hacs. Which is kind of ironic seeing as they were all that was used for the longest time.

Anyhoo In wormholes you almost only see T3 used and for obvious reasons. they couple the kind of tank with superb DPS and tackling abilities that allow fleets to operate with effective logistics on the field.

With fights moving through wormholes you can forget about having effective sniper or range control fleets. So you need fleets that can withstand immense dps and be kept alive under guardians.

Remove this and what do you have in wormholes ? you have pure DPS fleets where whoever has enough peeps on field to alpha + more then the opposing side will win the fight every time. I'e true blob warfare.

In wormholes it has been showed time and time again that the side with the best ewar, best logistics and best tactics overall can go up versus a numerically superior enemy and win the day. This to me is what makes wormhole fights fun. It is tactics and not pure dps and numbers that wins, and this is only made possible by having ships that has both dps and such heavy tanks that they can withstand large amounts of dps without just falling apart.

And now CCP thinks that is OP and wants to remove it. which basically will just degenerate every wormhole fleet to uber dps fleet where numbers will win the day in every fight.

what is OP is Moros/Nag versus subcaps 3 classes under themselves.

Or it will force you to break your blobs into smaller units, since if you bring a blob of straight dps through I can sit back and alpha you back to highsec.

The reason nullsec is seeing so many shifts is twofold.

One is the power of the microjump drive on battleships. Since only a scram will prevent a warpout you either have to grab everybody at once or be forced to play ping pong games trying to grab one ship at a time while being shelled from range the entire time.

Second is the tierecide has buffed neut ranges on the geddons , ewar on the celestis which allows you to play two different types of alpha that will wreck a t3 fleet. The first is alpha cap/ewar. Enough range boosted geddons will zap the cap on anything nearby. And the celestises will ensure that unless your logistics stays in the danger zone they will never be able to lock further than the paint on their hulls. The second is a combination of the tracking bonus to the mega and the sentry bonus to the domis. The latter which allows for perfect alpha, since once the drones are assigned they follow the will of the FC at the speed of the FC, not individual knuckleheads trying to find targets on their poorly set up overviews. As for the tracking on the mega, since it is now prohibitively dangerous to stay in close with the exception of suicide goku fleets or doom portals, the buff to the tracking of the longest ranged weapon in the game makes it an obvious choice. There is still a very rock paper scissors meta here, until you start doing silly things with cap swarms and supers.

The availability of cynos and variable points of entry makes this work in nullsec so it seems all well and good. In wormholes however we only have the wormhole. Which makes every fight boring, since either you have to jump into me or me into you. Bringing all ranges to zero and concentrating everything into this little bitty sphere, where the do it all nature of the t3 makes it absurdly overpowered. Most of this is due to the nature of the terribleness of command ships and hacs in their current configurations, and the squishyness and inflexibility of recons. SInce the dangers to t3 fleets are removed by way of the limited mass of the wormhole they become overpowered because the only things that can beat them can't be used. Rendering them the one and only option out there. And that is both OP and boring at the same time.

yeah... that's because it's over powered...
you literally just proved my point, thanks.

Id like to see some of this in Wspace too and before someone wades in with another post like:



Somewhat agree, but right now its pretty much the ONLY viable tactic in wspace, it shouldnt be T3 or GTFO. It would be nice to add a different dimension to wspace pvp.

If/when T3's get nerfed and people start using navy BCs and command ships instead, I wonder how long it will be before idiots like Messoroz starts screaming for those ships to be nerfed...