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Questions regarding new player pvp

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arktyus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-10 00:28:37 UTC
I've been reading up on the forums and the advice I see is buy 50 frigates and get them blown up. I have no problem doing that. The question I have is, should I be fitting this frigates with expensive mods and just put the cheap stuff on it. Seems like if I don't then ill more than likely lose the fight, but if I do, I have a better chance although it is more expensive to lose .

Also is there any ships that are more noob friendly? I'm using the Tristan currently.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-10 00:34:53 UTC
fit them sensibly. You can get a very good performance frigate for 2-3mil
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#3 - 2013-07-10 00:56:16 UTC
If you're drone specced, the Tristan is an excellent ship to try PvP in. Decently cheap as well. You'll also have good escape capabilities as well if you're kite fit.

Assuming you're focusing on Gallente ships, the atron, incursus, and maulus are other good choices for learning PvP in a frig. If you're looking at other factions too, than I'd recommend the slasher, thrasher, talwar, condor, kestrel, executioner, crucifier, and coercer as well.

The destroyers especially are great for getting kills with minimum SP, careful target selection, and good use of the d-scan. I particularly like sensor boosted arty thrashers for newbies. You can pick off folks like flies with even a t1 fit. All for under 5 mil isk or so, which is insanely cheap.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2013-07-10 01:38:04 UTC
arktyus wrote:
I've been reading up on the forums and the advice I see is buy 50 frigates and get them blown up. I have no problem doing that. The question I have is, should I be fitting this frigates with expensive mods and just put the cheap stuff on it. Seems like if I don't then ill more than likely lose the fight, but if I do, I have a better chance although it is more expensive to lose .

Also is there any ships that are more noob friendly? I'm using the Tristan currently.


Kiting ships are going to be your best option. The cheapest of which is going to be the LML condor / executioner. Drone boats in PvP are pretty terrible, so if you can I would try and stay away from them.

My suggestion to you would be to go play on SISI first. You can get in more fights on SiSI in one hour than you can in most places in tranquility. Things on SiSi can get a bit silly, but you will at least get comfortable flying / using your mods correctly.
arktyus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-10 02:39:32 UTC
Chessur wrote:
arktyus wrote:
I've been reading up on the forums and the advice I see is buy 50 frigates and get them blown up. I have no problem doing that. The question I have is, should I be fitting this frigates with expensive mods and just put the cheap stuff on it. Seems like if I don't then ill more than likely lose the fight, but if I do, I have a better chance although it is more expensive to lose .

Also is there any ships that are more noob friendly? I'm using the Tristan currently.


Kiting ships are going to be your best option. The cheapest of which is going to be the LML condor / executioner. Drone boats in PvP are pretty terrible, so if you can I would try and stay away from them.

My suggestion to you would be to go play on SISI first. You can get in more fights on SiSI in one hour than you can in most places in tranquility. Things on SiSi can get a bit silly, but you will at least get comfortable flying / using your mods correctly.


Remember I'm a noobLol what is SiSi
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2013-07-10 02:55:53 UTC
In theory - It is a test server where almost everything you want is 100isk - so you can try fits before committing to it on TQ.


Google will help you get there.

But in practice -
The main test system is full of spastics who will drop a Titan on a Hookbill (seriously they will - and then they will brag about it and say how leet they are and tell their buddy in the Titan next to them how they 1v1'd a Hookbill with a Titan with back pats all round) - so properly testing fits doesn't happen in practice.


You can stage a test with a friend but a staged fight tests nothing.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2013-07-10 02:56:55 UTC
I'd fit them cheaply. Only start to fit your ships expensive when you start winning or losing by slim margins.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#8 - 2013-07-10 04:09:17 UTC
If you are drone/gallente spec then Tristan -> Algo -> Vexor/navy vexor would be the progression I'd work towards.

Drone are fine for Frig/Destroyer/Cruiser scale combat and of a great deal of flexability. As with all weapon systems in eve there are advantage and disadvantages in using them BUT they can be really nasty in pvp with a bit of patience and practice.

Get yourself into a corp that operates in the theater that you want to fly in and starting getting out there and fighting, it is by far the most valuable way to learn.

Fly dangerous o7

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Deych
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-07-10 04:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Deych
For myself, i choosed kiting destroyer for low SP PVP. Because in kiting frig you will not get enough DPS to kill target fast. And in brawling frig/dessie you cant fight 1vsGang and you need to pick your targets carefull.
Learn T2 guns and overheat ASAP.
Sorry for my English.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-07-10 09:45:34 UTC
Don't go to Sisi.. its an awful place..

There are guys with titan links in the test system..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2013-07-10 11:23:36 UTC
If you are complete new to PVP then it is adviced to a) join fleets and b) go for kiting (missiles or drones or long range guns). Rationale: by joining fleets you learn the environment from your FC and learn to identify threads and how to avoid them. By going for kiting you have better chances to survive which makes it easier for you to learn more for your ISK. Once you understood the PVP environment then you can go for the next stage and try it with solo brawling. You will still lose a lot of ships since brawling really suffers from "commitment to fight". For example, as a kiter you have good chances to run if you notice that your victim is not that solo as you expected and his blobs arrive. As brawler you usually can't run until you have killed him first.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#12 - 2013-07-10 12:11:09 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'd fit them cheaply. Only start to fit your ships expensive when you start winning or losing by slim margins.

Quoted for truth. If your choice of engagement was very right or wrong, it doesnt matter if you are meta 2 or meta 3 fitted. Either you or your opponent is going to get blown up decisively. At some point you know what your fit does well, and what it does badly. Then it starts to become worthwhile to fit more expensive modules to come out on top in a fight you'd normally lose by a hair.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-07-10 13:52:03 UTC
The fit cheap thing is right but only to a point.

There are some things you absolutely need to be effective. Like generally you always want t2 guns (t2 missiles often aren't as important but yea, there are some things you gimp yourself to much by cheapfitting)

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#14 - 2013-07-11 09:40:17 UTC
The reason with using cheap frigs too more or less die in has nothing to do with the kill as much as its getting used too the experience and understanding what other people do when they kill you. learning the different ship types and which ships that can easily kill yours ( kiting Condor example... Nasty little thing )

A lot of people solo PvP with links when they're in frigs making them Impossible or insanely hard too solo even with experience.

The thing with PvP is just too throw yourself into it and understand it as you go by, its nothing you can be taught. Only learned from experience and failure. Every time you fail hopefully you will realize your mistake and go in your head "i won't do that next time" eventually you will understand the combat a lot more =)
Roxxo I'doCocaine
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-07-11 10:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Roxxo I'doCocaine
First, read this a few times, especially where it pertains to the ship hull you settle on. http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html

The section on the Tristan is 100% accurate, especially here:

Quote:
One thing worth noting about the Tristan is that drones are a relatively skill-intensive weapon system which many players don't have trained as highly as they perhaps should. Very new players are unlikely to have Drones V or T2 light drones, both of which improve this ship's performance substantially. The Drone Interfacing skill also contributes a large portion of its potential damage output, with 20% more damage per level and a fairly long train to hit level V.


So if your drone skills are not up to par (read T2 drones, Drone Interfacing IV minimum) I would suggest going with something less skill-intensive until your skills match the hull. Pick something from the Know Your Enemy section based on your current skillset and how the descriptions match your preferred style of fighting. Fly it cheap at first, no expensive rigs, meta 3-4, except the guns which should be T2 (and ammo which should be T2 or faction). Lose a few of these to a variety of enemies, to establish a baseline. You will lose plenty to dumb mistakes that fitting T2 would not have saved you from.

When you are ready to start stepping up your fits with T2, use this guide to determine when to use T2 and when to use meta 4 (or even meta 2-3). T2 isn't always the best choice.

http://captains-blog.com/fittingadvice.html

Edit: Sisi is the Singularity test server, where all items cost 100 (?) ISK. You set up a client to connect to it the same way you connect to Tranquility. However, I suggest not bothering for frigate combat unless you're very very space poor. As you seem excited about investing 50 hulls I am assuming you can afford to play on the "real" server.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity
arktyus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-11 12:01:04 UTC
Thanks for all the advice. I've jumped into Gallente FW and it has been fun. Only thing that sucks is we don't have many plexes and I always feel like if I go to a red one, I'll get bounced on by a gang. I guess it'll all come with experience. Got some good fights so far.
Brainbashi
Make-EVE-Great-Again
NO NEED LOOSE FACE
#17 - 2013-07-11 20:50:40 UTC
[There is a way to make every single ship in EVE uneffective if you exploit it weakness. Only tricky thing is to find out what the other fella is bringing on the table before the fight. For example. Blaster fitted ship has really anemic range so your best bet is to have a fit what allows you to dictate the range.

Keep doing what you do mate. After plenty of ship wrecks and some desperate gameplay hours you are getting a hold on it and FW is really good place to practice your skills. :)
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#18 - 2013-07-12 16:15:47 UTC
Grats on joining FW and finding a good corp right off the bat. I would suggest you talk with the other tplus folks as they should be able to get you going in the right direction really quick as they know their stuff. If you end up being on quite a bit when they aren't around just hop on gal mil coms and join up with a small gang that has someone that can give you fitting/engagement advice, etc. Making internet spaceships go boom is a blast, it is even more fun when it is the other guys ship Lol