EVE General Discussion

If I have to slowboat 30km to a gate in a dominix (Hi, Worlds Collide), then why wouldn't I salvage drone the large wrecks while I'm waiting?

No, i left them OUT because i'm not doing the WORK for you ;) You want them (with background numbers included), you pay me ;)

@Uwe

you seem to be one of these guys that have never heard of "opportunity costs" or value them differently in EvE. Not an uncommon mistake, many ppl in EvE regard "time" as "free", or nearly free. If you, of course, value that time somehow, like "i get a good feeling out of it, thats why i play a game", then its absolutely OK to do that.
But if you are under the illusion that salvaging is always more valuable then doing another mission, then you are, for most missions, wrong.

BPO make sense if you are going to manufacture that item over and over, heck even researching it and making copies and selling copies all make sense again. Copies especially make sense because they allow multiple runs for the same BPO.

Now if you are planning on making ONE or even three of the same ships, the bpo is a huge ISK sink. The Raven bpo is over a billion on the market, so anyone telling me that they make that money back after ONE manufacture run is well just terrible at math. A BPC copy is super cheap and sometimes, depending on the contract, includes multiple copies. You make more money by paying less for the BPC, however if you mass manufacture an item then yes BPO would be better. It all depends on how you choose to play.

also a little math

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=688

Gallente are like the French of the eve world.

No thanks.













(no offense to any of our frenchie eve players )

Not all NPC corps offer medical / jump clone services or stations with them.

Yes, there are alternatives a la Rorqual via a friend, or joining a player corp with sufficient standings with suitable npc corps, or EACS briefly. Otherwise it'd be advantageous for a new player to initially begin running with a corp that offers clone services vs look for solutions later.

From a "make money as a nub" perspective, this is truly terrible.

l4 mission can pay well, even high sec. However, more than HALF of that money is from salvage. If you are blitzing for LP, you are so wrong it's not even funny. Besides which, if you want to LP farm, missions are not even remotely close to the best method.

Also, it takes a well fit BS or T3 to run l4 mission (yes, you can do it in other ships, want to compare isk/hour? ). These are not ships/items that anyone calling themselves "new" has access to. It takes several months to fly a BS properly, and more to do it well, and more still to do it with anything close to "max" profit.

Sure, you can blitz many l4 missions in a well fit BC or something similar. Why would you? Do you imagine (wrongly) that this pays better than actually doing the missions and salvaging? It doesn't. It pays fine, but it's a lot less than you'd make if you ran 1 mission and salvaged instead of blitzing 2 or 3. Also, just curious but what happens when you get a non-blitzable mission? Do you have any concept of how long it takes a "nub" to complete Extravaganza mission solo, assuming they even can.

I'm a huge carebear, and I've run as many missions as anyone. This guide is the kind of thing I read 5 years ago and tried to follow. Only to find out that the author is leaving out very important bits (like where/who to do missions with, or that they are taking missions from 4 agents and declining any that aren't blitz-able). This can be a big difference in how this plays out, how much money and if the salvage is worth anything. Or that they simply don't have any idea what they are talking about.

I don't have a guide to offer solo players, because this a FARKING MMO. I guess, I would tell you to go play freelancer or Independence war II. Find friends, build or join a corp, work together and you'll make a LOT more money. (or get an alt and get good at multitasking -- alt can fly noctis with t1 fit and effective skills in less than 5 days)

sounds like a guide on how NOT to have fun as a new player in EvE

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Thanks for this great suggestion, while the majority of my training has been Caldari oriented I am also looking into branching out myself and expanding my ship portfolio. Thanks for this suggestion!

Will attest to that.

The big "Worlds Collide" L4 I did yesterday netted more out of salvage than ISK. Around 34 million in salvage, and around 24 million in ISK from bounties + mission rewards.

Salvaging is much more lucrative, and provides useful items especially if a crafter. One mission, and getting close to 100 of choice rig components...had enough to make 4 medium rigs (around 16 million to sell or save paying for) off of total waste. That's great if newer in the game and trying to outfit the many ships a player needs. With scrap metal processing, that would turn the other trash that's not worth to even sell into building mats, without even mining. So despite the estimated price of the salvage, it's real worth can be much higher.

So if a new player wants ISK to the tune of almost 58 million every 3 to 5 runs (which is much more than L4 missions pay in ISK with level 5 social skills even in low-sec), it's worth it. And yes L4 missions can be done without level 5 skills. Takes longer, but the payout is enough to score much more profits even if a player has to spend more for ammo at the beginning waiting to skill up weapons skills.

Stuff to do
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

My ancient thread
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=774785

The revamped semiofficial version
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Making_ISK