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High Sec Missioning or Null Sec Ratting? Which pays more overall?

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Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#1 - 2013-07-08 21:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
So I basically just mission for the most part, but was wondering if Null Sec Ratting pays more? Well enough to make it worth the risks.

I box three toons (two DPS and one Salvager) on Level 4 missions out of Gallente HS and make about 120m ISK on average per hour I mission using all three. (The salvager loots the last mission while the DPS are on to the next)

I have never done Null Ratting and was hoping a seasoned Ratter could give some comparisons.

Is it worth it to join a Null corp for Ratting, outside of the PVP experience?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-07-08 21:44:21 UTC
Without null sec corp you are just dead meat.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#3 - 2013-07-08 21:48:32 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Without null sec corp you are just dead meat.


I know, that's the question really!

Is it worth joining a Null Sec corp for the extra ISK you may or may not make?

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-08 21:56:18 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Without null sec corp you are just dead meat.


I know, that's the question really!

Is it worth joining a Null Sec corp for the extra ISK you may or may not make?


Tricky question.

If you in null, people run anomalies, and I hear they make good isk.

On the other hand, logistics is not a problem per say, but it is a serious issue. Add to that pvp. The corp/alliance goes to war, and your pve game time suddenly becomes heavily curtailed.

I guess the best is to start second account, train it up some and move it into null corp, get some hands on experience without risking your high sec account.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-08 21:59:13 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
I know, that's the question really! Is it worth joining a Null Sec corp for the extra ISK you may or may not make?

Your future Null Sec Overlords answer YES.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-08 22:37:29 UTC
The raw ISKyou can get out of null anomalies in sovereign space can dwarf the rewards from mission running, but in exchange, the politics of null can potentiall eat you alive, you're not able to play the game the way you want to any more, and that income source could get taken away from you at any time for practically any reason, ranging from someone with a supercap fleet wanting you gone, to your alliance CEO getting into a mood and ordering you to stop ratting on pain of getting kicked and losing access to any docks and hangars within two dozen jumps.

Barring efforts by certain parties to nerf hi-sec to oblivion, hi-sec mission running will remain available regardless of whether you're in good favor with one player corp or another.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#7 - 2013-07-09 00:06:55 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
The raw ISKyou can get out of null anomalies in sovereign space can dwarf the rewards from mission running, but in exchange, the politics of null can potentiall eat you alive, you're not able to play the game the way you want to any more, and that income source could get taken away from you at any time for practically any reason, ranging from someone with a supercap fleet wanting you gone, to your alliance CEO getting into a mood and ordering you to stop ratting on pain of getting kicked and losing access to any docks and hangars within two dozen jumps.

Barring efforts by certain parties to nerf hi-sec to oblivion, hi-sec mission running will remain available regardless of whether you're in good favor with one player corp or another.


I am all about numbers really.

I did take a test alt into null to look around at the anomalies to check the bounty amounts. I did notice the BS bounties were higher in more the 1.2 million ISk range, but many Level 4 missions have similar bounties, just most BS are at half of that, but kill quickly.

I am supposing that just like in HS a 1.2m BS takes more time than a 540k BS to kill, so time value in the same....

If someone has run the numbers or has done both Null Anom's and LVL 4's and can add value to actual ISK returns, that would be a
great add to this thread for myself and others that search for similar information.

In HS it's pretty standard to earn around 40m to 60m per character per hour with pro skills.


Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#8 - 2013-07-09 04:09:33 UTC
I don't know, I killed BS in missions and in null, to me they felt similar but I must admit I never went up against an officer rat.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2013-07-09 04:58:48 UTC
mission running has been better than ratting for me, although I was never really in an amazing system. that and it was before the anom upgrade thingies could be installed. sounds like the high end anoms are way better than ratting.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#10 - 2013-07-09 07:22:41 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The raw ISKyou can get out of null anomalies in sovereign space can dwarf the rewards from mission running, but in exchange, the politics of null can potentiall eat you alive, you're not able to play the game the way you want to any more, and that income source could get taken away from you at any time for practically any reason, ranging from someone with a supercap fleet wanting you gone, to your alliance CEO getting into a mood and ordering you to stop ratting on pain of getting kicked and losing access to any docks and hangars within two dozen jumps.

Barring efforts by certain parties to nerf hi-sec to oblivion, hi-sec mission running will remain available regardless of whether you're in good favor with one player corp or another.


I am all about numbers really.

I did take a test alt into null to look around at the anomalies to check the bounty amounts. I did notice the BS bounties were higher in more the 1.2 million ISk range, but many Level 4 missions have similar bounties, just most BS are at half of that, but kill quickly.

I am supposing that just like in HS a 1.2m BS takes more time than a 540k BS to kill, so time value in the same....



Nah, a haven loads the top 3 battleship types alll the time. Missions load all sorts. A Core Lord Admiral doesn't take twice as long as a Core Baron to kill, but loads more than 3x the bounty, and there aren't gates in the anom, so you can just kill as soon as you finish the previous trigger. I think forlorn hubs were actually preferred as they used to be BC/BS only and smaller less tank intensive spawns but I believe that might have been patched to reduce bounties by adding frigates.

I occasionally do the lowsec forlorns/forsakens and to be honest, they would be in my top 10 if they were missions - they are very different from the base lowsec anoms.

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-09 09:33:02 UTC
Dont forget that in Null sec you get officer spawns and hauler spawns. Officer spawns drop officer loot i think

also The bounties are higher on null sec bs than high sec bs but they dont take any longer to kill imo.

Where i am there are sanchas rats. sometimes a true sancha rat spawns and they drop true sanchas loot too. Ive not done that much ratting and iv'e already found and killed one of these whcih netted me a true sancha heatsink, true sancha EANM and a true sancha radio crystal.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#12 - 2013-07-09 11:23:54 UTC
The correct answer is wormholes. 3 accounts can clear close to 500m an hour easy.

PS. Not for the risk averse.
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#13 - 2013-07-09 17:09:42 UTC
My skills are still coming up, but I can make about 60mil an hour without salvaging and that's just one character.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#14 - 2013-07-09 19:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vartan Sarkisian
My corp live out in null sec and I personally think that the ISK from running anoms and sigs is much much greater than missioning, although I'll admit I've not done missions in a very long time.

Sigs can be quite hard and may need 3 or 4 people with logi to complete so if you wanted to do those you would need to work with your corp mates

certain anoms can be run solo but bear in mind that rats in null warp scram, web etc, if you caught in that and a bunch of reds come in system you could die in a fire.

I think that the loot is worth more from salvaging the wrecks too.

Depends where in null you are going to be you may have issues getting the loot/salvage out of null and to market (if that is what you do with it) so you will need a corp. mate to jump freighter it out if you do not have that ability yourself.

Depending on your corp you may find that they get cloaky camped a lot and that means no PVE, also of course reds can come in you system which means you have to safe up.

I've never run the actual numbers but I think you would beat 120m per hour in null, there is a guy in our corp that makes 2b a month mining, I think that ratting is more lucrative than mining.

Not all null sec systems give officer drops btw
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-09 19:06:51 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:

certain anoms can be run solo but bear in mind that rats in null warp scram, web etc, if you caught in that and a bunch of reds come in system you could die in a fire.

L4 missions scram and web too.
Do a LMJD fit and you can get out of the rat scram, and safe up if enemy corp/alliance come in for a raid.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Blue Absinthe
Wardec U
#16 - 2013-07-10 13:00:14 UTC
Zenith Gravit wrote:
My skills are still coming up, but I can make about 60mil an hour without salvaging and that's just one character.


not only do you not compare this to what you can make doing the other activity, you don't even say what you're making 60 mil and hour doing..... Roll
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-10 13:40:05 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
So I basically just mission for the most part, but was wondering if Null Sec Ratting pays more?
In my opinion null anomalies pay better.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-10 19:41:20 UTC
Nullsec anomalies should provide higher ISK/hour - if you find a system where you can chain-run them. Unlike missions, there is a cap on how many anomalies are active at any given time.
Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#19 - 2013-07-11 07:40:43 UTC
The answer really depends on where you rat in space, what corp/alliance, politics, logistics, skills.

Basically, null can be very much rewarding. Even using a single character and do relic and data sites for an hour if you are lucky, can bring you several million ISK.
Doing anomalies or just kill BSs in the deeper systems, can bring a very good isk/hour.

But there is also the chance to lose your ship, the need for logistics, local politics.
For example killing an officer rat and getting a 1 billion isk worth of item is still a useless item unless you can get it to the market without being dead.
This can be bypassed by using WHs to high sec and an alt in high sec to transfer it to market, but there is still this logistics and its time consuming vs just doing missions, harvesting LP and doing a quick transfer to ISK on the market.

I suggest at least you try it to see if it suites you. There are other things to do there. PvP, large blobs or just fun roams. Not just isk/hour.