Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello,

I am very new to this game, and I hope my suggestion wouldn't hurt alot of player feelings or anything. But its my own opinion as a new player. But I think the current cloaking design in EVE-Online is very flawned and unfair and I think it should be changed to make it more 'fair' and exciting for both sides.


Right now, as can be demonstrated by Mad Ani's stream... And after reading many topics about cloaking and ability to decloak in general. I think its generally accepted by all EVE Players that its almost impossible to decloak a ship if the cloaked player knows what he is doing. I think this is really stupid, why can't players chase out a cloaky ship in their system who is just idling or AFKing?


I suggest adding a ship-module that has the ability to scan down cloaky ships, and when successfully scanned down the ability to shutdown their cloaking device while being 'locked' down. The decloaked ship should go somewhere else to avoid getting blown up.
After warping off he should be able to cloak again, and the tracking should be started over again in order to decloak them.
My point is that players should be able to chase out cloaky intel ships with special anti-cloaking devices.

This would put cloaky ships on the edge, like it should when you are in enemy territory. And at the same time, it gives the players/alliances the ability to chase out their spies who are camping their systems.


I am really interested hearing your veteran, and other new player opinions regarding this matter?
Isn't the current cloaking not extremely flawned?
Regards

*EDIT1*

It seems that according to feedback posted below, the ability to decloak using ship-modules would be the same as forcing a player to undock. I don't really understand this, but whatever I came up with a different idea that might be more practical then.

Instead of a ship-module, Player owned stations should have the ability to buy a POS-Module to decloak systems in their respective system? Again, it should not be that easy and take time and to keep it fair the POS-Module should also be 'manned' in order for it to be active. This way, it doesn't affect high and lowsec systems as they are not player controlled stations (Or, if im wrong there, then make it so you can only place these POS-Modules in nullsec space, either way it should only be effective in nullsec space).

Again, my suggestion in general would be that finding a way to address this 'intel camping' in nullsec space while alliances are nearly helpless to do something about it should be addressed. I think its wrong, if you share this opinion or oppose it. I like to hear your thoughts on the matter how to improve this part of the game, without ofcourse damaging other aspects of the game that are outside this scope.

I don't particularly mind being flamed by internet warriors. But I rather like to read from those who don't like the idea as to why they dont like it. I am not claiming that I know much about the game, because I don't.

But I just don't understand why people are not able to do anything about cloaky ships in their system (as long as the pilot isnt stupid). Gathering intel should be possible, im not saying it should be easy to scan down cloaky ships or anything but the general idea that alliances/corps whatever are almost completely helpless removing cloaky ships from their system.

Cloaking is fine. Its not OP at all, nor is it next to impossible to kill a cloaky.

The reason these ideas are bad is because they allow you to find and decloak cloaked ships, which technically you shouldn't even know are there. You only know because the local chat tells you. Now you are wanting a risk free way to decloak and find any ship in system, without really putting anything on the line for this largly overpowered ability.

If this were to happen I think you were on the right track to begin with, it should be a ship module not POS. Because it'd just be dumped on a tower where a player doesn't have to defend it and abused to clean systems of cloakies. Instead... Make it a hi-slot module that can only be fitted to a super/titan, has a 5 minute timer like triage/siege mods and renders the ship immobile while active. Then you can hunt your decloaked ships.

tl;dr; cloaking is fine

Stop trying to make nullsec safe carebear.
Go to highsec if it bothers you.

Your best counter to an afk cloaky is to change systems (harder if you are a renter with limited systems to pick from)

If the cloaky follows (or another one shows up), they're not afk and might be hunting you.

There is lore explanation to local chat: you know they are there because they came through stargate (which keeps track of all ships passing through). But that part of lore does not explain why ships that cyno in system or come from wormhole are also shown in local. Fix that and then you can add as many cloaky hunting modules as you want.

Hello,

The reason started after watching Mad Ani's stream. He is streaming the Fountain war (I am greatful to him for that). But, at the same time I started thinking about the whole cloaking mechanics because basically the alliance in that system is totally unable to do anything to try and flush him out of their system. They need to be in 2500 meter range to get him out of the system, but because the space is quite vast. He could just sit 600KM from the gate and idle there and the chance of any object coming close enough to him is nihil.

He can just spy all day long in that system without the slightest care of being discovered because people can't do anything against that. Because there are no modules or tools available to flush him out properly if he doesn't want to leave. And that is what I find 'strange' game mechanics, even for cloaky ships.

Honestly, there is nothing wrong being AFK or idling in a system. I just believe that there should also be mechanics in place for players to flush out cloaky ships in their system. I mean with all that advanced technology available in EVE there is nothing practical a alliance or corp can do to effectively flush a player out of a system.

Don't you find it strange? Well apparently most of you don't and I am completely fine with that. It just strikes me as weird :)

As well as in this scenario the "spy" can't do anything to hide his presence in the system, everyone get this information for free reading the local. This is why is balanced.
At least the "spy" had to fit a ship, pass gates and fly in hostile territory. People in local get free intelligence doing nothing and risking nothing.

Then it becomes a fight for intelligence have to be countered with intelligence tools: providing fake informations, doing the same to them and so on. There're plenty of "intelligence" tools used in EVE, and none of this has a counter based on activating a module or shooting. It's just a different game layer.

Also, alliances don't have to be able to totally clear the systems they claim against any external/neutral/hostile presence (as already is for a good 99%), this could be bad for the general gameplay.