Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can't see this making any logical sense. I know this is a game, but there is a limit what is acceptable is a non-fantasy setting. If the weapons still do full damage, I don't see how it reflects anything as the weapon energy clearly fully reaches the target. It might work, if we were fighting in melee combat or it was a magic spell, but neither case is true. Even if we ignore that, you run into in-game mechanical problems. Missiles certainly wouldn't fly back to the ship, that launched them and the explosion from the target ship could not affect the launching ship. With turrets the problem is weapon ranges. They'll stop being effective long before reaching back to the original firing ship. So in order for the reflection module to function like you describe, be effective and make any sense, it has to operate as an independent weapon with it's own stats, so it doesn't actually reflect anything.

Two things. First, wrong forum; try Features and Ideas.

Second:



Have you looked at how EVE physics work? Because I hate to break it to you, but it's far from Newtonian. Unless we consider space a compressible medium. Which... isn't Newtonian either.

Pretty much obsoletes destroyers.

I have moved this post to the Features and Ideas section.

My bad wrong area ; p

@hidden: umm...how can it not be true, if it works even as "an exception" as you say. Lasers and projectiles "can be" reflected. Missiles would be harder to redirect, I agree, like hijacking a missile's control from a fighter might not be practical due timing.

As for the idea, I know it sounds crazy, but it would be an interesting effect.

1st. Why can't armor or shields change surface dimensions? Shields in particular are formless, so in theory if you know the firing vector your shields can be adjusted to throw some back.

This is of course scifi, not fantasy. We can achieve moving armor now.

2nd. Don't get me wrong, this type of defense should not break tanks, unless you are flying close ranged glass cannons. At 30% reflect rate and a frigate dps at 200, you would only have 66.67 reflected. Am I wrong to say that most people can buffer tank that even before resist?

3rd. To make it not a broken trick, There could be a corresponding penalty to armor and shield resist based on module counter, I.e. reflective laser module would reduce em/therm by 10% base resist. At three of these 27 5% reduction in resist would counter 50% reflected dps, since more damage will get through.

now i wonder how that would work with smartbombs and bomb launchers... Also poor drones, why do you hate them that much?

Well if you all don't like Realism Arguments, how about arguments for the sake of balance.

Despite the diversity in this game, there is some rock paper scissors action going on. With this idea, now smaller ships won't have a chance of killing larger ships. It will become rock paper shotgun style game play where the bigger ships can ward off smaller ships by fitting this mod to reflect damage done to them.

As cool as that idea is, it not balanced. You would destroy a number of smaller ships fit so that they have to tank their own damage as well as other people's damage, thus making certain fits like speed tanking, useless.

I have to give a negative to this idea. It is quite difficult to reflect incoming projectiles or energy beams back at their source.

Since physics was mentioned, I'll note that all real world armors work on the principle of dissipating or redirecting the energy of the attack. There's no reason to consider that EvE defenses work any differently. This means that shields absorb the impact and dissipate the energy over the "surface" of the field. Armor is made so that there are limited flat planes to absorb an impact, but instead the impact will slide off along a random angle. All of which makes it extremely difficult to control the direction of recoil/reflection, and thus impossible to reflect it, even in part, back at the attacker.

Now, all that said, I could envision a modification. Not reflection, but perhaps a shield module that lowers the strength of the shield, but uses feed back loops, sort of like tuned, resonant tesla coils, to impart some of the energy to the target. In short, this module would lower the overall shield hp, but would allow the defending ship to absorb some of that damage and convert it in capacitor power.

Honestly though, I don't see a real need for either module. I'm certainly don't think I'd use a reflector or an absorber as anything other than a curiosity.

You could always magic fit-restrict it like we do with other modules, or better yet make it a rig that adds the effect to shield boosters and have it only come in specific sizes at specific strengths. I'd see something like this being less of a "fit for lolrevenge iwin" and more for trap fits and fleet fits to help soften tanks.

Yeah, but Battleship sized weapons do little damage to frigates to begin with remember, so this in a way balances the Frigate roles to what CCP had originally envisioned based on the creation of sigs.

I think what you're missing is that the sig hasn't been lifted between BS weapons and smaller sigs or BS reflector modules and frig sig.