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[Question] Best Caldari ship to learn pvp in?
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#21 - 2013-07-09 23:26:54 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Try flying a HAM Caracal for one month. Put a long point and web along and see how good you are kiting cruiser sized hulls capable of killing you. You will learn alot about your pvp skills and awareness in one month.


Do not fly a HAM caracal. HAMS are horrible, and the caracal is not a HAM boat.


Also to those recommending T2 or ECM boats, stop trolling this guy. Caracal is by far the best caldari small gang / solo / roaming ship with easy access.


HAMs are fine. I know a guy in my corp who flies HAM caracals and beat up on people all day long.

Though, within FW space, RLM is probably preferred due to all the frigs/dessies roaming around



I agree.
HAMS are great on a Caracal, especially with faction ammo - They hit out to 28-30km.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-07-09 23:48:52 UTC
Solo caracal is better with RLML's

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-09 23:54:19 UTC
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal

Art of Explosions
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#24 - 2013-07-10 01:38:53 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Try flying a HAM Caracal for one month. Put a long point and web along and see how good you are kiting cruiser sized hulls capable of killing you. You will learn alot about your pvp skills and awareness in one month.


Do not fly a HAM caracal. HAMS are horrible, and the caracal is not a HAM boat.


Also to those recommending T2 or ECM boats, stop trolling this guy. Caracal is by far the best caldari small gang / solo / roaming ship with easy access.


HAMs are fine. I know a guy in my corp who flies HAM caracals and beat up on people all day long.

Though, within FW space, RLM is probably preferred due to all the frigs/dessies roaming around



I agree.
HAMS are great on a Caracal, especially with faction ammo - They hit out to 28-30km.


RLM caracal will kill a HAM caracal every time. Hams are just so bad unless you have a bonused TP in fleet.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#25 - 2013-07-10 02:23:38 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal


Not really.

From memory - If you use Meta 4 Large shield extenders it works fine.
Most people make the mistake of using t2 and due to the higher fitting requirements end up nerfing the rest of their fit as a result.

Try it - you will find it makes a big difference.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#26 - 2013-07-10 02:56:09 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal


Not really.

From memory - If you use Meta 4 Large shield extenders it works fine.
Most people make the mistake of using t2 and due to the higher fitting requirements end up nerfing the rest of their fit as a result.

Try it - you will find it makes a big difference.


But you're still going to lose to an RLM caracal. It has a much better tank, and better applied DPS.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#27 - 2013-07-10 03:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Chessur wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal


Not really.

From memory - If you use Meta 4 Large shield extenders it works fine.
Most people make the mistake of using t2 and due to the higher fitting requirements end up nerfing the rest of their fit as a result.

Try it - you will find it makes a big difference.


But you're still going to lose to an RLM caracal. It has a much better tank, and better applied DPS.




Wouldn't mind testing it to see what happen tbh.

I'll be in Enaluri with HAM cara in the hanger approx 2 hours before DT.

Feel free to drop by.

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Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-10 05:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Etain Darklightner Agittain
So from a beginning standpoint:

Hookbills (fleet issue)
Caracals
Condors?

I'm a noob to pvp myself however I've got the skill sheet to fly really shiny ships. Frankly speaking I wanna start off flying T1's and pop them repeatedly til I get good at pvp.

I can fly blaster boats, HAMS , pulse lasers pretty much anything at T2.

I don't mean to hijack the thread however rather than making a separate thread and flooding the forums with useless spam I'm asking in this thread. I'm 7 days away from torp specialization V. Can fly covops (anything).

Suggestions in light of this would be appreciated. It's not a starter character.

EDIT: Not a new character but new to pvp.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#29 - 2013-07-10 06:15:41 UTC
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:
So from a beginning standpoint:

Hookbills (fleet issue)
Caracals
Condors?

.


Yes

Plus

Kestrels, Caracal Navy, Osprey Navy (if you want the missiles)

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-07-10 07:40:58 UTC
I'm just looking for the best way to learn pvp at the cheapest "curve" possible.

If missiles are the way to go so be it.

Anyways I'm looking at fits based on what was said, beginning with the hookbill.
Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-07-10 08:09:43 UTC
If youre aiming for cheap and losing lots of them, start at the condor, it works very much the same way as the Hookbill in the High speed, range kiting role and is about 1/20th the cost for the hull.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#32 - 2013-07-10 11:26:11 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Chessur wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal


Not really.

From memory - If you use Meta 4 Large shield extenders it works fine.
Most people make the mistake of using t2 and due to the higher fitting requirements end up nerfing the rest of their fit as a result.

Try it - you will find it makes a big difference.


But you're still going to lose to an RLM caracal. It has a much better tank, and better applied DPS.




Wouldn't mind testing it to see what happen tbh.

I'll be in Enaluri with HAM cara in the hanger approx 2 hours before DT.

Feel free to drop by.


Sweet I fly near there frequently, i will message you sometime ok?
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#33 - 2013-07-10 11:27:21 UTC
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:
So from a beginning standpoint:

Hookbills (fleet issue)
Caracals
Condors?

I'm a noob to pvp myself however I've got the skill sheet to fly really shiny ships. Frankly speaking I wanna start off flying T1's and pop them repeatedly til I get good at pvp.

I can fly blaster boats, HAMS , pulse lasers pretty much anything at T2.

I don't mean to hijack the thread however rather than making a separate thread and flooding the forums with useless spam I'm asking in this thread. I'm 7 days away from torp specialization V. Can fly covops (anything).

Suggestions in light of this would be appreciated. It's not a starter character.

EDIT: Not a new character but new to pvp.


The RLM caracal will give you by far (provided you nanofit) the largest engagement profile. Which in turn will allow you to engage more ships, get more fights, and learn faster.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#34 - 2013-07-10 11:35:10 UTC
Chessur wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Chessur wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you have to sacrifice a lot to fit hams on a caracal


Not really.

From memory - If you use Meta 4 Large shield extenders it works fine.
Most people make the mistake of using t2 and due to the higher fitting requirements end up nerfing the rest of their fit as a result.

Try it - you will find it makes a big difference.


But you're still going to lose to an RLM caracal. It has a much better tank, and better applied DPS.




Wouldn't mind testing it to see what happen tbh.

I'll be in Enaluri with HAM cara in the hanger approx 2 hours before DT.

Feel free to drop by.


Sweet I fly near there frequently, i will message you sometime ok?



Yeah cool.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2013-07-10 17:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
The key to successful piloting in the Caldari militia is learning how to fly with warp core stabs and be effective. As such, I give you the "Training Kestrel"

[Kestrel, Training]
Rocket Launcher Ix4

1MN Afterburner I
Medium Shield Extender I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Upgrade mods as you get more experience. The key to this fit is that the excellent lock range of the Kestrel mitigates the effects of the WCS penalties. Eventually you will be able to move on to larger ships such as the Corax and Caracal, but the fundamentals of short range missiles+tank+WCS should get you lots of kills in whatever class of ship you decide to fly.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#36 - 2013-07-11 07:47:50 UTC
I would start with the caldari frigates since 1) they're cheap, and 2) they represent the combat styles of their larger counterparts, so why not learn each style without having to throw isk at everything. Get a feel for all of the smaller stuff before moving onto bigger and shinier things.

Merlin: One of the best brawling (in your face) frigates out there. Think of the merlin as a smaller moa.

Kestrel: Can be setup as either a missile kiter (like the condor), or a rocket brawler (that tends to kite within scram range).

Condor: One of the best kiting ships in the game. The DPS makes you want to bash your face into the wall when you're killing something, so just make sure you have a beer or two to drink while waiting for your opponents eventual doom. Think of the condor and kestrel as smaller versions of the caracal.

Hookbill: A souped up kestrel. Can kite or brawl. Very flexible. Think of the hookbill as a smaller version of the navy osprey. (Warning: flying a hookbill may result in talking in an austailian accent and subbing more accounts to fly multiple hookbills simultaneously. Not responsible for an increase in classiness and dashingly good looks)


Bantam/Griffin: Think of these as support ships that are far more effective in a group than flying solo. I would recommend trying these guys out while flying with some friends to get a feel for what they do and their role in gangs before trying to rock an ewar bird solo.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#37 - 2013-07-11 21:59:58 UTC
Merlin and kestrel are both good. But incursus is IMO slightly better than the merlin.

Condor and hookbill are good but you may have trouble finding fights. Few people want to mess with a kiting condor because the fights are rarely good. I had a few good fights with rocket condors but so many players fit them to kite I rarely even bother with them anymore.

Hookbill used to have the reputation as the best navy frigate. It probably still is so you might have problems finding fights.

Grifin: nothing says "I don't really want to fight" like flying a griffin.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#38 - 2013-07-11 22:04:37 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Merlin and kestrel are both good. But incursus is IMO slightly better than the merlin.

Condor and hookbill are good but you may have trouble finding fights. Few people want to mess with a kiting condor because the fights are rarely good. I had a few good fights with rocket condors but so many players fit them to kite I rarely even bother with them anymore.

Hookbill used to have the reputation as the best navy frigate. It probably still is so you might have problems finding fights.

Grifin: nothing says "I don't really want to fight" like flying a griffin.



Hookbill isn't king anymore tbh.

They are a bit more balanced since the Firetail buff and Hookbill agility nerf.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#39 - 2013-07-11 22:07:00 UTC
Super Chair wrote:

Hookbill: A souped up kestrel. Can kite or brawl. Very flexible. Think of the hookbill as a smaller version of the navy osprey. (Warning: flying a hookbill may result in talking in an austailian accent and subbing more accounts to fly multiple hookbills simultaneously. Not responsible for an increase in classiness and dashingly good looks)
.




Super Chair = Best Chair. Big smile

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Mortis Spiritus
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#40 - 2013-07-13 02:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortis Spiritus
Hows this RLM Caracal fit?

[Highs]

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II x5

[Mids]

Experimental 10MN MWD I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II x3

[Lows]

BCS II x2
Nano x2

[Rigs]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Fit good?
Advanced or Navy ammo?
Does dmg type matter when flying randomly through space solo?
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