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And I've noted that corps are data mining APIs and getting really agressive about demanding financial info even though they state it's of little importance to them. But, seriously, pretending you need to play Eve a decade to have learned economics is like those people who tell the miners there's no money in manufacturing (except the 50% markups from initial materials, of course).

Well, technically it is possible, it is also possible there are FEMA death camps, and chemtrails, and that climate change is a myth cooked up by scientists *shrugs*

Also, I am confirming I am datamining my APIs for financial info in order to check where my assets are and whether it is profitable for me to build something,

Shush you. I told you to keep that intel on the down-low.

MDD

Except FEMA death camps, chemtrails, and mythological climate change are not scientific. Assembling data on financial transactions is. Do you really think anyone who knows the first thing about numbers is going to buy the analogy that data mining API's is as ludicrous an idea as chemtrails?

But it's so fun...

It's hilarious how they accuse you of being paranoid because one points out the obvious fact that corps are probably data mining the financial APIs that they absolutely must have to check for "liars," but that the corps are so paranoid that they won't allow anyone in without consulting all their market transactions. They're rationally paranoid, but I'm "irrationally" paranoid about making my job of keeping afloat more difficult... right...

I mean, I'm new, I just don't want the little niches I find to keep my cheap barges and frigates functional to be pushed out of market by giving my trade info to some dude who runs a corp who I don't know at all... Obviously, every bit of profit I manage to make to stay afloat is profit that someone else could have made if he had cornered whatever particular niche I'm exploiting.

Let try to explain it again.. Just to see if you might actually realize why your getting these replies..

The reason for FULL API is not about you financial info, the fact that its included in the FULL API is not relevant. They need FULL API for their internal security. To make it easier to do background research and avoid corp theft and awoxing etc..

You would know these things if you had played more than 12 days..

Most valuable API financial information is pretty often shared freely with online services by some of the most talented traders in the game.

Sure you should not share your data if your joining some minor corp that might actually directly benefit from your data, but if your joining a group of any considerable size your small tricks is not that relevant to them, they could easily get better data from other sources. The things they are interested in is usually on very different scales.

BUT THE MAIN REASON IS THEIR SECURITY!!

GOT IT?

Uh everyone realizes that the main reason corps seek API is security.

lol when my recruiters get an api it has noting to do with your trade secrets, honestly could care less. We do our own market research and sells, and heck we usually share that information with each other anyway so ya whatever.

We want to make sure that someone dosent come in and do bad things to the corp and the api will help uncover those past trends.

OP, im on your side when it comes to this. That said, most of the time API is used for security only, so obviously you are in the safe. However every now and than the information is used against the person providing it. Its just a risk.

But how many corporate spies are going to be stupid enough to use the same account? A 2nd account costs the same as just using an alt (unless you stop training your main I suppose)... It's not like any corp is going to transfer 50m ISK into a plant's account just before he provides the API to the target corp... Or, if they are, they're probably too incompetent to extract decent information in the first place.

Meh, I'm over my rant.... won't be handing out complete APIs to anyone which I suppose means I won't be corped any time soon... Don't know what one is supposed to do - the first month at this game is nothing but a bunch of horror stories about people being conned and bilke all the time, but when you join a corp they just want you to give them everything you've done ever and risk that they'll turn you down anyway after finding out anything uniqure you might have run across. You're supposed to be paranoid as all heck of getting sucide ganked just for kicks in high-sec when you're starting out, but not worried that if xyz random corp you're trying to apply for says you must trust them 100% without even having talked to them for 1 minute and turn over your API key to them, including everything and every location you've been.

Seems insane.

But, hey, if for some reason your corp found a better way to screen secuirty, you might do well demonizing your opponents for demanding absolutely full API keys by telling them they're using it to ambush noobs and corner markets...